Y2 sats scores

[NK1814268aX1208c8e15c8]

Have received DS Y2 ks1 report including the sats results as EXP but without the scaled scores. Have asked the school for the numerical scores but they seem reluctant to release them has anyone else had a similar experience and do you know if the school can refuse to give out the scaled scores?

[redgoat]

We've not put the scaled scores in our reports. Didn't even occur to me- we never put the raw scores in with the old SATs results.

I personally would be quite happy with EXP and leave it at that but if a parent asked me, I would give it.

Maybe their scaled score was actually 98/99 and the school have decided to tip them into expected?

[SilverGiraffe7]

This document states that schools do not have to put scaled scores on reports, but must tell parents if they ask.

http://dera.ioe.ac.uk/24478/1/2016KS11AssessmentanddreportingarrangementsARAAPDFA.pdf

Their overall end of year judgement may well be different from the test result though.

[NK1814268aX1208c8e15c8]

I think with just the 2 main levels this year it is harder to guagr where DS is so would just like to know really if they are under the grade think I would like to give a bit more support in those areas and don't really know why the scores are not automatically included. Don't know if this is the case for all schools or just some and would welcome any advice :-)

[Lilybensmum1]

That's interesting redgoat we have recieved the scaled scores there is pages and pages of details and I'm quite confused about it, my ds had a score of 1/32 on writing but is said to be working towards the standard, I'm so confused!! luckily we have parents evening on Tuesday.

[NK1814268aX1208c8e15c8]

Thank you silver giraffe will wait and see what happens but if the scores are not forthcoming will probably back off as don't want to appear like control freak but good to know. That information is the most clarity I have had over these sats I feel completely confused by the results and why some schools have the scaled scores and not others and am unable to ask too many questions of teachers under pressure. DS is in gifted section but his report this year has shown little progress in reading writing and maths so I may be over thinking it a bit thanks again for the info

[redgoat]

The bar was raised so high this year that I would suggest that children working at EXP are actually above average for their age. The schools in my cluster were all below 50% (of children achieving exp) in writing. Bog standard mix of chosen and schools not significantly rich area but not huge deprivation either.

Lilybensmum1 - Your DS is not working at the new 'expected' level for his age. I don't know where the score of 1/32 for writing comes as there was no writing test. Could that have been GPS (grammar, spelling & punctuation)? That test was not mandatory this year due to government fuck ups and I did not administer it to my class. If your school did and that is his score then I think that suggests your son is a long way away from the expected standard. Sorry. Xxx What was his reading score?

[redgoat]

Bog standard mix of children and schools Sorry, didn't proof read my post and am on my phone.

[Mov1ngOn]

We didn't get the scores. I sort of have a curiosity about then even though I believe the testing to be crap and meaningless.

[littlepinkmouseofsugar]

This might help if schools are less than forthcoming:

schoolsweek.co.uk/scaled-scores-for-key-stage-1-tests-announced/

[Dandelion6565]

My DS sat them this year, he scored, 111 in reading and 113 in maths. The reports are not out yet, I have no idea what the TA will be but it will be intriguing as I'm not convinced the teacher knows him very well.

[Dandelion6565]

Sorry 114 in maths! ( can't follow a bloody chart, he doesn't take after me)

[Badders123]

All ds2s teacher said to me was "ds Did very well in his sats"
That's enough for me
Get his report tomorrow but not sure it will tell me any more than that tbh

[Lilybensmum1]

redgoat if I give you my ds scores can you interpret them for me?

Writing achieved and mastered 1/32 (3%) still in writing it then says learning objectives achieved 27/32 (84%)
So this is recorded as English writing WTS

Reading 100% so recorded as EXP
Math 37/38 (97%) so EXP
Science just says EXP no score

When I saw the writing I was olbviously worried I know he struggles with cursive writing but his teachers have never expressed concern, if it makes any difference he is still 6.

Hope you can help would apreciate it, I tried to read the link upthread but couldn't understand it I gave a medical background so this means nothing to me.

[Bogburglar99]

DC2 sat them this year and we have just had an official document with the results of the teacher assessment. GDS for maths and literacy and EXP for science.

I am extremely anti SATs for this age group but would still like to know what the number is, just because it's information about him that other idiots think is important. Tossing up whether or not to ask!

Could a child be teacher assessed as GDS if they hadn't 'passed' the SATs?

[Bogburglar99]

lily if your school is like ours then those scores will be about the system they are using for teacher assessment, not the SATs. In the old system everyone assessed against national curriculum levels. Now there are a load of different systems out there which schools are using to assess whether kids are meeting the 'expected standard' for their age, which is the list of things the new National Curriculum says they should be able to do.

So I would guess that your schools assessment system has a list of objectives and that in order to meet the standard for their age they have to tick off the lot. So Id guess 97 and 100% for English and maths mean he can do everything he needs to - well done! Writing it sounds like he may have a list of 32 objectives and has met one. Obviously that would suggest writing may be more difficult for him, but from what I hear our KS1 teachers say, the standard expected for writing has gone up massively. They are expecting grammar, punctuation, joined up writing, the lot. Many summer born boys just can't manage that level of writing - in other countries they wouldn't even be in school!

If he is where he should be for English and Maths then he has the understanding, he just needs to learn to write it down

[SaturdaySurprise]

A question. My daughter is in year 3. At the end of Year 1 she got 2B in everything. At the end of Year 2 she got 3C for everything.

This year she got working at expected level for everything and a working at greater depth at reading.

After always being ahead in maths and in top one or two groups (it's generally a bright class) DH and I are a bit perturbed that she is not at greater depth in maths now.

Is this down to the raised levels and that the old being ahead is now the new expected?

[spanieleyes]

Yes, probably. the expectations now are, as you are aware, greater than previously. It is therefore much harder to achieve expected and even harder than that to achieve greater depth. ( We have roughly 10-15% of children in each year group assessed as working at greater depth, so 3-5 per class whereas previously we would expect around a third/half to be working above age related expectations)

[jennielou75]

The writing score relates to the number of standards I think. They have mastered 1/32 and passed 27. The problem is they need to pass every aspect of every standard to get working at. They have probably made good progress but are recorded as going backwards. It is hugely frustrating.

[redgoat]

lilyb I think bogburglar is right as, if those scores are percentages for the actual tests, then your son should be assessed as GDS (greater depth). Chn 'only' had to get 22/40 on the reading test to be EXP so if he got 100% then that is amazing. We only had 1 child out of 56 get full marks on the reading (and 2 children in maths). Tbh (and I hope this doesn't sound rude, it's just my gut) I don't see how he could have such a high score in his reading yet such a low score in his writing. I do have children in my class who I have assessed as EXP in reading but WTS in writing but not by such a (seemingly) huge margin and all of those who are GDS in reading are either GDS or EXP in writing.

I think tbh, you are only going to be able to get clarification by going in and speaking to his teacher. Sorry.

[redgoat]

Having read the rest of the thread, I think Jennielou is right.

SaturdaySurprise I think that probably is down to the increased expectations. We've been told all year NOT to compare the old and new national curriculums, however, this year's 'expected' level at the end of year 2 is about an old 3c so as she's year 3 she'd almost need to be like an old level 4 to be GDS in year 3. TBH, my daughter is Y3 now and was level 3s across the board last year and I'm just delighted she's still at EXP now. The new national curriculum puts so much pressure on children, all I want is for her to keep loving learning. I don't care a jot if she's at GDS or not. X

[Lilybensmum1]

redgoat thanks for your input no you are not rude I undersatand what you mean as this is what we thought, my ds has always been excellent at reading and can read most words, I know he has problems with writing it's forming the lettershe struggles with, he can spell most words that are expected of him and understands the use of grammar and punctuation again as expected for his age.

None of my ds teachers have ever expressed much concern about his writing and it assumed that for him to get this sort of result they should have, the results I have given you are as recorded on the paperwork,
We do have parents evening on Tuesday but sadly my ds changes school to junior in September so I hope he does not dip further.

Thank you it's been interesting yo get a professionals perspective I'm not going to worry now, would just like to know how to help him.

[Lilybensmum1]

Thank you bogburgular99 that was really helpful and is how I feel about my ds just need to work out how to improve his writing and help him, he really struggled to join up his writing.

[jennielou75]

They were more relaxed about handwriting so he could have had exp if it was just that. There are only two standards that directly refer to handwriting at exp so there must have been missing evidence from either spelling or grammar standards too.

[Mummyzzz]

I can see the score they needed for EXP, but how do we find out what score they had to get for GDS?

[jennielou75]

We don't know what that is! Schools will have used different numbers and moderators were saying even children who scoed 100% did not automatically have greater depth as they may have evidence missing from standards not tested.