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So 47% of current Y6 are failures.

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noblegiraffe Tue 05-Jul-16 20:41:30

Or at least they would be labelled as such if they were a year younger.

This time next year, those who don't meet the expected level in their KS2 SATs will be forced to resit them in December of Y7 (and, I believe, again in June if they still don't pass).

Today's figures are:

53% of pupils met the new expected standard in reading, writing and mathematics
66% of pupils met the new expected standard in reading
70% of pupils met the new expected standard in mathematics
72% of pupils met the new expected standard in grammar, punctuation and spelling
74% of pupils met the new expected standard in writing

That's an awful lot of kids whose transition to secondary school will be blighted by the expectation of lunch/tutor/after school intervention and possibly summer school.

HeyMacWey Tue 05-Jul-16 20:45:16

I don't think it'll have that much of an impact. Secondary schools know the politics behind it.
They'll do their own assessments in September.

Next year's Y6's will have had the whole 2 years to learn the newer curriculum so will be better placed than this year's cohort.

I don't agree with them but think it'll have little consequence once they get onto gcse's.

noblegiraffe Tue 05-Jul-16 20:50:39

Secondary schools will muddle through this year, but the point is that next year, even if figures improve greatly from this year, there will still be a large percentage of children having to resit in Y7.

Secondary schools will be judged on whether they get children to pass these resits, so transition to secondary school will be blighted by intervention and booster classes.

spanieleyes Tue 05-Jul-16 20:53:09

It doesn't matter whether secondaries do their own assessment or not, as it stands the children without a "pass mark" in the year 6 SATs will have to resit.

BombadierFritz Tue 05-Jul-16 20:56:28

Who cares what the kids think hey? Sure their self esteem wont plummet at all just before starting their new schools. hmm

MyakkaState Tue 05-Jul-16 20:58:00

Isn't it 47%?

Scrantonicity Tue 05-Jul-16 20:59:22

47% surely? If 53% met expectations

noblegiraffe Tue 05-Jul-16 20:59:23

God, yes, you're right, 47%, even worse than I put!!

noblegiraffe Tue 05-Jul-16 21:00:50

I've asked MNHQ to amend the title. I was posting in between writing Y10 reports and clearly should have paid more attention!

PresidentOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Tue 05-Jul-16 21:02:26


I've asked MNHQ to amend the title. I was posting in between writing Y10 reports and clearly should have paid more attention!

We''ve done this
It's rather depressing, either way

Numberoneisgone Tue 05-Jul-16 21:05:58

This was flagged here during the year by teachers with a lot more insight than the government apparently.

BeautyQueen88 Tue 05-Jul-16 21:07:59

Sorry for jumping on but if my sons results come back as a fail tomorrow will he be able to resit?

noblegiraffe Tue 05-Jul-16 21:09:59

Thanks Olivia

So that makes it that nearly half of Y6s are failures.

Parents that up until now who have been able to tell their kids that SATs are for the school not the child will lose that option. The parents who this year were saying they were going to take their child out of school for SATs (or deregister them) won't be able to do that any more.

Expect current Y5 to be under even more pressure than this cohort who have just gone through.

RafaIsTheKingOfClay Tue 05-Jul-16 21:12:31

What's more astonishing is the reading result. It shows exactly how hard that test was. Or at least how different to the sample paper.

It's usually the highest of the test results IIRC. Not only is it significantly lower, but it required a percentage on the test to meet the expected standard. And not only have we managed to close the gap between reading and writing, but we've created a whole new gap.

Those results look like total nonsense to me.

Presumably they're fiddling the floor standard data as we speak.

noblegiraffe Tue 05-Jul-16 21:12:44

Beauty resits will be compulsory for current Y5 onwards. If your DC 'fail' (horrible word) this year, then I imagine that secondary schools will do their own baseline assessments in September and decide how to proceed from there.

HeyMacWey Tue 05-Jul-16 21:20:25

noble at what point did I sat who cares what the kids think?

I've got two that will receive their results in a week or so however they know that the results are a snapshot of what they did on the day and that teacher assessment is worth so much more. As far as I'm, and they're concerned, what their teacher says in the report is worth do much more.

Children should know that their achievements are worth so much more than a one off test and it's our role as parents to develop this.

HeyMacWey Tue 05-Jul-16 21:21:15

Say not sat.

noblegiraffe Tue 05-Jul-16 21:24:12

Think your response was to Bombadier, not me, Hey

You're lucky that your DC are in Y6 and not Y5, tbh, because you can tell them that. Current Y5 will be defined by their results. Wheat and chaff. Resit group and group that gets their lunchtime with their mates.

mrz Tue 05-Jul-16 21:25:11

Look on the bright side ....the DfE spin

shouldwestayorshouldwego Tue 05-Jul-16 21:26:11

Also a nightmare for anyone who struggles despite them and the school trying their best. Dd2 still really struggles with spelling and writing, still goes for the phonetically plausible. We are considering testing her for dyslexia, but I know that my spelling wasn't great, however I improved massively with using spell checkers and that visual cue. In the future she probably won't need to spell or write, it will all be typed and spell check/ predictive text/ dictation. I work in an academic environment and I spell check everything, I rarely write by hand now. Even Mumsnet might offer spell/ grammar checking. I feel that she can have a bright future, despite her current difficulties, as long as her self-esteem is intact.

Will they have to resist all of them or only the ones they didn't pass?

OneEpisode Tue 05-Jul-16 21:28:31

I'm vaguely aware of dd taking another go at the national phonics test. It wasn't a big deal. Why would you make this a big deal? I certainly wouldn't be tutoring for this.,,

noblegiraffe Tue 05-Jul-16 21:29:52

One secondary schools will be judged on how many Y7s they manage to get to pass. They will certainly be tutoring for this.

RafaIsTheKingOfClay Tue 05-Jul-16 21:30:51

You won't be, but I'd imagine the secondary schools who depend on getting children up to standard before Christmas will be.

EarthboundMisfit Tue 05-Jul-16 21:32:36

Mrz, that's an...interesting take on statistics.

RafaIsTheKingOfClay Tue 05-Jul-16 21:34:13

They've obviously moved on from yesterday's 'please don't judge us on these results' line.

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