# Talk

## Can someone explain the SATS scores for KS1 and KS2, please?

(32 Posts)
sleeponeday Mon 04-Jul-16 20:35:28

I mean the exam scores. I get that 100 is the expected level, but what will that mean - what proportion are working at that level, and what will results above and below it translate into? Is 100 the average level (so 50% below and above) or does it mean the kids hitting Nicky Morgan's targets?

sleeponeday Mon 04-Jul-16 20:38:15

Should add that I've read the BBC link, and understand that the expectations are a lot tougher overall, and thus results will almost certainly be less positive overall. What I don't understand is how the marks are allocated: set against peers, or set against a targeted expectation?

spanieleyes Mon 04-Jul-16 20:48:46

100 is the expected level. we have no idea yet what percentage of pupils will be working at that level ( although schools will have their own KS1 results already and will get the ks2 results tomorrow) . This is the national expectation, so there may be some schools who have everyone above 100 and ( hopefully not) some schools with no one!

sleeponeday Mon 04-Jul-16 21:24:32

Ah, thank you! I've been reading news reports, and it's rather taken for granted that people understand the scaling. I didn't, so the stories were a bit confusing.

EricXXGmex Tue 05-Jul-16 16:01:58

Lets assume that the test is a perfect one. (Stop laughing at the back.)

The results should form a bell curve, with the peak of the bell at 50% of the marks - so you get a tiny proportion getting 0 marks, a slightly higher proportion getting 1 mark, a few more getting 2 marks and so on, until at half marks (is that 15? Was it out of 30?) you reach the highest proportion. It should then tail off, so slightly fewer get half-marks-plus-one (16?) and so on until you get a very small percentage getting full marks (in a perfect test, the same percentage as got no marks)

In reality tests tend to be skewed so the highest proportion get more than half marks, which means they get more 'resolution' at the lower marks, and less at the higher marks (i.e. it's easier to distinguish between those who do very poorly than it is between those who do very well) - and this can be seen on the document that converts raw scores to standardised scores, where 37 equates to 100.

I expect they intended 100 to be the average level, but it won't be.

WomanActually Tue 05-Jul-16 16:26:26

Dds just brought her results home. It's a peice of paper with the following printed on.

111 for maths
111 for grammar,punc and spelling,

No idea what they mean, dd isn't sure either, just that her teacher said 100 was the goal and everyone has got it.

MrSlant Tue 05-Jul-16 16:34:41

Oh god have they changed everything AGAIN. FGS I still haven't got the hang of the last lot.

EricXXGmex Tue 05-Jul-16 16:39:46

That's KS2 I presume @WomanActually?

WomanActually Tue 05-Jul-16 16:49:36

Sorry ericx, yes it is. Should have mentioned that

EricXXGmex Tue 05-Jul-16 17:00:08

That's ok - I guess there is a KS2 scaling document out there somewhere too! They sound very good scores

spanieleyes Tue 05-Jul-16 17:03:43

They are good scores, given that the national average standard score was 103/4 depending on subject. so well above average. Your child will be classed as met the standard, as would a child who scores 100 or one who scores 120. there is currently no measure of higher achievement than "met"

ConfuciousSayWhat Tue 05-Jul-16 17:07:24
DiamondAge Tue 05-Jul-16 17:09:38

WomanActually

They mean that in:
Maths your DD scored either 100 or 101 out of 110
SPAG 62 out of 70; and

Note the scaled score of 120 started at 44/50 for reading, 69/70 for SPAG and 110/110 for maths. This means to achieve a scaled score of 120 you could drop 6 marks in reading, 1 mark in SPAG and in maths you had to achieve 100% to gain a scaled score of 120.

To achieve a scaled score of 100 pupils needed the following % correct:
Maths required at least 55%
SPAG required at least 61%

At least that's my interpretation, done rather quickly - apologies in advance if I've made any errors! And well done your DD!!

CPtart Tue 05-Jul-16 17:27:23

So helpful. Marking place to return to this on Friday when DS2 brings his scores and report home!

MachiKoro Tue 05-Jul-16 17:32:21

Nationally 53% got expected level or higher (100+) in reading, writing and maths.
If everyone for over 100 for reading, writing and maths, the school is performing significantly higher than national. Of course, they may all have begun school reading, writing, and doing arithmetic. There are no progress figures to compare with.

WomanActually Tue 05-Jul-16 17:33:47

Thank you diamond, that's made it clear for me, didn't understand the raw score stuff either and was too embarassed to ask I guess it shows dd didn't get the brains from me

1805 Tue 05-Jul-16 17:42:48

has anyone seen a link to compare scaled results to old levels? I'm not very good with change!!

spanieleyes Tue 05-Jul-16 17:51:40

There is NO link between scaled scores and old levels, each measured very different things!

Indeed Nicky Morgan has told us we can't compare the two and who are we to argue!

ihearttc Tue 05-Jul-16 17:53:47

Can someone explain it to me as well cause Im totally confused?

DS1 got a raw score of 101 for maths=111 scaled score
SPAG/spelling:57=scaled score 107

I thought that was actually quite good...but it seems to suggest that 100 is the expected level?? So it isn't that good at all? To put it into context he got the second highest maths result in the year!

spanieleyes Tue 05-Jul-16 17:59:02

It is the scaled score that needs to be 100 or more, 111,108 and 107 are all above the 100 so are all classed as met the standard. the higher above 100, the better ( with 120 being the highest possible score). so the results are actually quite good!

Dinocroc Tue 05-Jul-16 17:59:15

Marking place! I bet our school don't even give us them. They have to if I ask right?

spanieleyes Tue 05-Jul-16 18:00:45

They HAVE to give you the raw score, the scaled score and the teacher assessment. You shouldn't need to ask!

mummc2 Tue 05-Jul-16 18:04:42

My daughter away on a residential I'm assuming she will be given when she gets back Thursday

ihearttc Tue 05-Jul-16 18:04:46

How does the scaled score correlate then? Because he said he felt the score for reading wasn't that good (its out of 50 isn't it?) but its not that far off the scaled score for maths if that makes any sense?

spanieleyes Tue 05-Jul-16 18:09:55

There is a different raw score required for each subject to gain a 100 scaled score. so for reading you needed 21 out of 50 marks, maths needed 60/110 and GAPs needed 43/70 all to gain a scaled score of 100