Morgan warns about SATs results

(52 Posts)
nuttymango Mon 04-Jul-16 18:23:35

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36703784

Morgan is warning that the SATs results can't be compared to previous years because the tests have been made harder.

Presumably this is a pre-cursor to poor SATs results being issued tomorrow?

spanieleyes Mon 04-Jul-16 19:24:16

Well, why are we not surprised!

ShellyF Mon 04-Jul-16 19:25:44

As expected
Results must be low

TeenAndTween Mon 04-Jul-16 19:28:13

But, we are assuming that anyway aren't we?

The impression I have is that the new 'expected' is around the old 5c?
Thus we would expect that a much smaller % doesn't meet the new standard.
Especially perhaps with the SPaG as harder content only introduced in y5 for current cohort so they haven't had years building up to it.

Thus in later years with cohorts who have had the new curriculum for longer, the % will rise, leading to the govt being able to claim 'rise in standards' (or just meeting new curriculum as opposed to old one).

But if we are also given percentiles or similar (which I think we are still expecting?), we'll still know whether a child is one of the more or less able in their cohort.

(Year 6 parent expecting my DC not to score 100s).

ShellyF Mon 04-Jul-16 19:40:13

We get results tomorrow in schools.

KittyandTeal Mon 04-Jul-16 19:43:22

We are expecting our results to trigger an ofsted (other stuff going on too but this will be the last straw for county)

Hulababy Mon 04-Jul-16 19:47:32

As expected really.

Raise level needed to 'achieve' but don't give any child long enough to have gone through the full system, learning all the new stuff on the curriculum, but test them on all of it now instead.

Results have to be low as a result.

Its okay her saying not to make comparisons with previous years though - how many teachers are going to find that their SMT totally listen to this when making decisions about results-based pay, or OFSTED deciding who they need to prioritise when lower results trigger issues?

WomanActually Tue 05-Jul-16 16:42:08

Dds has brought her results home today, this is all she's been given. No other info. She said teacher told them possible marks were 80 to 120 and 100 was the hopeful goal, which they've all managed.

ConfuciousSayWhat Tue 05-Jul-16 17:05:29

this link gives you the raw scores you can work backwards from their scaled score

My dc got

Reading 114
GPS 117
Maths 111

hornetgirl Tue 05-Jul-16 17:10:06

My understanding is that anything above 110 is very good and above 115 is outstanding. The marks are "closed" which means there are a lot of results around 100 but very few at the top or bottom end.

spanieleyes Tue 05-Jul-16 17:13:24

The national average score is 103/4 depending on subject.

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/534573/SFR30_2016_text.pdf

gives the national picture.

CPtart Tue 05-Jul-16 17:28:34

Marking place whilst awaiting DS2 scores and report on Friday!

QGMum Tue 05-Jul-16 20:33:51

Spanieleyes thanks for the link to the national picture. Very helpful. I could only see the average there and not the whole distribution of marks.

Will the distribution of marks be released so parents know, for example, x% of children achieved a standardised score of 115 or above in reading?

SeraOfeliaFalfurrias Tue 05-Jul-16 20:45:28

Oh good grief, so a system where it's okay for half of children not to achieve the expected level is okay now, is it? FFS, I hate this government more every second, and I didn't actually think that was possible.

spanieleyes Tue 05-Jul-16 20:50:01

Equally we have a system where children working at what is considered to be the expected standard are unable to answer 58% of the questions in a test correctly. can you imagine being an "average child" sitting a test paper where over half of it is beyond you!

mrz Tue 05-Jul-16 20:50:32

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-primary-school-tests-show-schools-rising-to-the-challenge

It would be funny if it wasn't real children involved

RustyBear Tue 05-Jul-16 21:01:51

So what are they basing the 'school progress' scores that the schools will get in September on?

mrz Tue 05-Jul-16 21:19:01

Not sure they've thought that far ahead

ConfuciousSayWhat Tue 05-Jul-16 22:06:23

There is no point getting upset about it, it's how grammar schools work out their 11+ scores by standardising it so it reflects the level of the paper and the ability of the year group for any given year

mrz Tue 05-Jul-16 22:27:00

Except it isn't standardising anything ...these are scaled scores not standardised

ConfuciousSayWhat Tue 05-Jul-16 22:48:11

Same thing isn't it confused

mrz Wed 06-Jul-16 17:08:44

Not at all they are very different

MangoMoon Wed 06-Jul-16 17:16:40

We didn't get any numbers, just EXS.

exLtEveDallas Wed 06-Jul-16 17:19:34

If the school inputted the results into SIMS it converts them to letters meaning below expected, at expected or above expected. Probably easier for parents to understand

mrz Wed 06-Jul-16 17:50:50

The government have stated that there is no above expected hmm

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