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Resit Y6 tests in Y7

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Book1234 Sat 28-May-16 16:56:59

Just wondering how many parents of children in Y6 are aware that they will be resitting the tests in Y7 if they fail them?

We still don't the fail / pass mark yet, but I'm not sure how widely the government has shared this information with schools.

Any thoughts?

TwoLeftSocks Sat 28-May-16 17:02:43

I thought that was kicking in next year. Don't think this year's y6s will be affected.

TwoLeftSocks Sat 28-May-16 17:03:48

I remember reading it as I've got a y5 who will probably end up resitting.

Peacefully8484 Sat 28-May-16 17:06:29

It all seems such a mess, with no clear information on what the "pass" mark is and whether or not resits for this year's y6 or next.. I'm baffled that an education system can be run this way and my DD who is in Y6 has certainly said a few times that she thinks she failed... What a way to finish primary school thinking you have failed...

Book1234 Sat 28-May-16 17:07:22

Yes, that sounds about right actually, do you think it will impact how parents view the SATS?

noblegiraffe Sat 28-May-16 17:07:45

They won't be. This will start with current Y5s.

Except the government has removed this from the timeline of changes, not yet opened the consultation on how to implement it (leaving that a bit late, guys). They have, however, insisted that they are not going to u-turn on this, so presumably they are going to rush it through at the last minute (AGAIN) and it's going to be a total fucking shambles (AGAIN) with teachers having to pick up the mess.

noblegiraffe Sat 28-May-16 17:09:34

Of course if implemented it will change how parents view the tests because they'll no longer be able to say to their kids that it's to judge the school and not them, neither will they be able to take their kids out of school/deregister them in Y6 to avoid the SATs issue.

Peacefully8484 Sat 28-May-16 17:09:36

Yes I do because it's been so confusing and has moved from being clear what kind of level your child was at to now a judgment on whether they have passed or failed which is impacting on the children.. It's also the ridiculous chaos of it all putting undue and silly pressure on the teachers who just want to so their best for the kids..

Book1234 Sat 28-May-16 17:09:39

Yes, I misread the timeline... Not enough information out there at all.

bsmirched Sat 28-May-16 17:10:22

I really don't think this has been thought through. When will y7s have the lessons? How long afterwards will they resit? And if they still don't pass?

Peacefully8484 Sat 28-May-16 17:13:08

I have a feeling secondary schools will really not want to take it on as I'm pretty sure they won't be teaching to a spag test - well I really hope not! For me it's the arrogance of it all- thinking that by simply insisting on a ridiculous Grammar test you are going to improve writing...

noblegiraffe Sat 28-May-16 17:13:45

When will y7s have the lessons? How long afterwards will they resit? And if they still don't pass?

They will resit in December 2017, and if they still don't pass they will resit again in June 2018 (from what I can remember). Secondary schools will be punished if they don't get enough passes in 3 months from what primary schools couldn't manage in 7 years.

Peacefully8484 Sat 28-May-16 17:15:26

And will they change the pass mark every year?!

Book1234 Sat 28-May-16 17:15:48

It will mean some sweeping changes to y7 as we know it.

AnotherUsernameBitesTheDust Sat 28-May-16 17:24:48

Ugh. And I agree about not being able to tell the kids it's testing the school not them. They're not stupid, and other kids can be horrible. Imagine starting secondary school knowing you've "failed" and have to retake these pointless tests. Imagine you then "fail" again and have to resit yet again.

That's going to be really good for 11 year olds mental health. hmm

I still want to know what happens if you don't actually sit the tests in y6 - do you have to do the resits in y7 or not?

I am pretty sure I'll be HEing for y5 and 6, but if it means he'll be sitting them in y7 (and most probably failing as I won't be teaching him for the test) then I might consider HE till y9 and sending him for GCSEs.

God, it's all a load of bollocks, this government will fuck a load of kids up.

mrz Sat 28-May-16 17:29:30

Bolograph Sat 28-May-16 17:31:14

So what will happen to children who are home educated to 11? What about private schools which are neither obliged to teach the national curriculum (like many state schools) nor do sats (unlike state schools)? What about children living Ohio the system system at 11 from private? From abroad?

Hence the need for consultation. And hence why, since Dominic cummins appearance in front of the Europe select ctte which was petulant and obnoxious and removed such reputation as he had, I suspect Morgan will be looking for long grass to kick it into.

Bolograph Sat 28-May-16 17:33:31

Living Ohio the system = switching into the state system

Peacefully8484 Sat 28-May-16 17:36:27

From what I have read it's so very unclear what the pass mark will be. Does anyone know how they set that?

WhoKnowsWhereTheTimeG0es Sat 28-May-16 17:36:57

Yes, aware and very worried as the parent of a dyslexic year 5 pupil.

mrz Sat 28-May-16 17:40:02

Speculation is that any child who arrives in Y7 without a "pass" will do the resits (regardless of reason).

Peacefully8484 Sat 28-May-16 18:27:58

What a sad state of affairs.

Muskey Sat 28-May-16 18:37:42

It's really sad to think of dc feeling as though they have failed primary school. Things seem to be going backwards. It's like when secondary education was only grammar schools or secondary modern. Many dc thought they had failed if they didn't go to the grammar school. What happens if the dc "fail " the tests in year 7

Peacefully8484 Sat 28-May-16 19:29:09

I do find it extraordinary that our government can have so much direct impact on how education is run.. Just feels like a bunch of amateurs making it up based on some outdated set of principles.

mrz Sat 28-May-16 19:35:34

feels like a bunch of amateurs making it up

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