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School admissions timetable - any flexibility? Moving related.

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Questionsandanswers Sat 26-Dec-15 19:58:43

Not going to have exhanged before the January cut off, but our county (Essex) gives a second deadline in early Feb, if you provide them with exchange of contracts evidence by this date they will accept it. My question is, would there be/has anyone had any experience of flexibility beyond this? On paper it would seem not, but if you exchanged within a week/two of the February date would they perhaps accept the new address? We will note our new address in the additional info section on the application, but if we can only provide exchange evidence after the 5th is that really it?

louisejxxx Sat 26-Dec-15 22:25:58

I would imagine that it's all or nothing by that date to be honest as there has to be a cut off point. If they break the rules for one person then it isn't fair on others really.

Your best bet would be to ring your council and ask them directly as responses may vary to this one across the country1

catkind Sun 27-Dec-15 00:19:32

Afraid the second deadline and being allowed to apply if you have exchanged but not moved is the flex, they can't have a secret unpublished third deadline.

You can usually put in a new form as soon as exchanged, but it will be treated as a late application. Is there far between the addresses? We've had chains fall through at the point of exchange before. You really can't rely on things until they are signed.

Hope you can get things through in time. Are school places very tight where you are?

admission Sun 27-Dec-15 16:40:32

Probably not as giving anybody extra time opens up a potential can of worms for the LA BUT the best course of action is to speak to the LA admission office and see what they say. If you can be specific about the date and it is close to the deadline there is a possibility that they might help. Make sure that every thing is confirmed in writing.

VintageDresses Sun 27-Dec-15 16:50:20

How tight is it for school places where you're moving to? If you apply for schools in the new area but don't get in on distance, you will jump to the top of the catchment school list once you move.

However at our school (Essex) we have several within catchment still on the list from Sep 2015.

The LA do occasionally intervene and force schools to take children who move into the area and are otherwise without a school place though, but that will depend if there are other schools with places within "reasonable" distance

Questionsandanswers Sun 27-Dec-15 20:59:14

Thank you for all your replies. Its a move across town, the school is not overly popular, so there is a chance we will get a waiting list place, if we cannot get evidence of exchange by the cut off.

catkind Sun 27-Dec-15 21:44:56

Will you apply for new area school from old address anyway if it's not far? Would put you further up the list than being a late applicant. And if you don't get in then you would still bump up to top of waiting list when late applications are processed.

tiggytape Sun 27-Dec-15 23:30:48

Most councils have the official deadline and then a period of grace of a few weeks. So really you are asking for a period of grace on the period of grace which I suspect is going to be beyond what most councils can offer (there does have to be a definite cut off at some point and there will always be people who miss that by a small margin).
But there is absolutely no harm in asking. If they do not agree, all you can do is supply your new address as soon as it is official and make sure it is updated because you are then going to be much nearer the top of local waiting lists than the people already living in the area who perhaps missed out due to living further away than you will.
If the school is not oversubscribed, distance won't even matter at all and you will get an offer even by using your current address (only when there are more applicants than places are distances looked at as a decider)

Questionsandanswers Mon 28-Dec-15 16:21:45

Thanks Tiggy, what is it that makes a school oversubscribed? Is it if the number of first place choices exceeds the pan, or is it if the total number of applications (1st -4th choices) exceeds the pan? If it is just based on first choices/sibling link then we could be offered a place.

tiggytape Mon 28-Dec-15 17:03:06

By oversubscribed I mean that the school has no spare places in any year group. It is not in the position of offering fewer places than the total number it could take

But it is more complicated than looking at order of preference. Putting a school 1st preference doesn't help if other people qualify more than you do.
For example:
If you put the school 1st on your list and someone else who lives closer to that school places it 3rd on their list then they always get an offer for the school before you (assuming that the schools they listed 1st and 2nd preference couldn't take them)
So it knowing sibling numbers does help. It is reasonable to assume most siblings will be applying for a place so those slots are pretty much taken.
Knowing how many list the school 1st does not help because there could be dozens of people who put an unrealistic school 1st and then this school 2nd but who still get in by living closer than you do.

Putting a school 1st gives you no priority at all over people who listed it lower. Everything is decided by how you meet the criteria compared to who else applies.

tiggytape Mon 28-Dec-15 17:06:56

So in other words oversubscribed means: there are more people who list the school as one of their preferences and who won't get given a higher preference than there are places at the school to offer all of those who either place this as their 1st preference or place it on their form below other schools which they definitely won't get into.

tiggytape Mon 28-Dec-15 17:16:01

Sorry - still clear as mud. I'll try again:
The preference order gives no clue as to whether the school will be oversubscribed or not.
There will be people who list it 1st choice who won't get in.
There will be people who list it 1st who are going private so will turn down an offer.
There will be people who list it 2nd or 3rd or 4th who do get in (because they have siblings or live closer than the people who listed it 1st so therefore, even though they like the school less, they qualify for it more and that's what counts).

Sibling numbers help to guess what might happen.
As does historical data (if for example 300 applied for 30 places last year and there is still a waiting list running, safe to say it is oversubscribed. If the current Year 1 has 3 vacancies and it is the type of school to always take new people to the area, it is probably not oversubscibed).
But preference numbers are no help at all because no matter how much you love a school, if someone living closer than you who listed it 2nd doesn't get their 1st choice, they will priority for an offer over you.

Questionsandanswers Mon 28-Dec-15 18:37:39

Thank you, that is really helpful to know.

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