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Have any year 3 DCs achieved exceedings (or equivalent) and if so...

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DiamondAge Mon 13-Jul-15 22:28:10

what 'old money' level did they have at the end of year 2.

So many threads with parents worrying, I've started wondering: if a child achieved 3b last year have they exceeded this year, if not how about a 3a?

What end of KS1 level in the old curriculum might result in an exceeding in the new curriculum?

I know they are different but mostly it's just drawing down from year's above. Presumably a child that was far enough ahead in the old curriculum could, theoretically, expect to exceed in the new from year 3?

Bunnyjo Mon 13-Jul-15 22:53:03

My DD achieved 'exceeding' in all areas.

She was Level 3 across the board at the end of KS1. She was 3a in maths, speaking and listening, science and reading and 3b in writing.

She has made excellent progress this year, particularly in writing.

Bikegirl77 Mon 13-Jul-15 23:15:59

At the end of Y2 my dd was 2a in maths and 3s in reading and writing.

At the end of this year (Y3), she's a 3a in maths and 4bs in reading and writing.

Bunnyjo Mon 13-Jul-15 23:38:20

I should have been more clear in my post, I think.

DD was 3a in maths, speaking and listening, science and reading and 3b in writing at the end of Year 2.

I have no idea what 'level' she is now at the end of Year 3, except for exceeding age related expectations, as the school have said that the old NC levels do not correspond to the new curriculum.

AmazonGrace Tue 14-Jul-15 00:54:16

Ds was a 3 in Maths and a 2a in English at the end of Y2.

He's currently exceeding expectations in all aspects of English (all boxes ticked) but only has two boxes exceeding expectations ticked in Maths, with the rest of the Maths section ticked as working within.

Science level 3, end of Y2, exceeding expectations in Y3. Geography Exceeding Expectations in Y3, although I don't know what grade he was end of Y2 for this.

That's all I can remember for now. In bed, late night mnettung.

Was a bit concerned about the Maths but teacher seems happy with his progress and he had a glowing report. In my mind though it seems he's grown stronger in English. Will see what Y4 brings.

DiamondAge Tue 14-Jul-15 09:21:21

Thank you for your replies.

So far it looks like you need to be a solid L3 to be able to achieve exceeding expectations in year 3.

Is anyone else willing to share?

Iwantakitchen Tue 14-Jul-15 09:27:46

End of year 2 was 2a reading, 2a reading and 3b in maths. End of year 4 is 3a in reading, 4c writing and 4a in maths.

Some schools are still using the 3cba grading and introducing the new grading methods in September, this is happening at our school. I am afraid not many parents understand the new system and it will take time for us to adjust, and it looks like many teachers will also struggle with it which is more worrying. Dh is a primary school deputy head And some of his teachers are struggling to implement it.

JasperDamerel Tue 14-Jul-15 09:31:58

DD was level 3 in everything last year. This year, she was "exceeding" in everything. I think that in old terms, she's a strong level 3 in her weaker areas and weak to secure level 4 in literacy, which is her strongest area. So doing well, but in a normal, low-key sort of way in a relaxed and unpushy school.

QuiteQuietly Tue 14-Jul-15 09:48:07

Yr 2:- 2a writing, 3c reading, 3b maths, 2 science.

Yr3: Exceeding in all four. Other subjects just have "I can" statements.

But maths was definitely his weakest area last year and this year - still using fingers to count on. So I wasn't too convinced by the levels last year and even less convinced this year! But this has been the first year at school he has enjoyed and his teacher has been a good fit for him.

Incidentally, DD2 left reception last year with exceeding in reading and couldn't read a level 1 songbirds book - I can only conclude that the expectations were very low! We have worked very hard on phonics/reading at home this year and she is now "expected". What a joke. No mention made of her amazing effort. sad

Galena Tue 14-Jul-15 10:25:17

In our school we have emerging, developing and secure - no exceeding possible.

DiamondAge Tue 14-Jul-15 12:50:28

Gelena I hoped I had covered the variety of terms schools are using when I mentioned "(or equivalents)" in my title.

Do you think secure is equivalent to mastery / exceeding? It's odd though, developing isn't really an accurate equivalent for expected. Then again there are three options, which does match some, if not all, schools.

How confusing!

Galena Tue 14-Jul-15 13:57:05

Secure is meeting 80% or more of the age related expectations in a subject. Whether you meet them or exceed them is not differentiated between in our school reports.

Nowfeeltheneedtopost Tue 14-Jul-15 14:16:22

My DD's y3 report gives attainment levels for English, maths and science. She had been given for speaking & listening (3), reading (4c), writing (4c), spelling (3a), handwriting (3), mathematics (4c) and science (3). She was level 3 last year in y2 SATS across the board.
Other subjects (ict, history, geography, music, art, pe, d.t, r.e) are marked against according to three levels - exceeding expectations, attained expectations and support and consolidation required. She has a mixture of attained and exceeded in these subjects. Hope that helps. I share her report with no one in real life so feels very strange to type that. Thank goodness for anonymity.

TheRealMaryMillington Tue 14-Jul-15 18:12:13

She was 3a at the end of Year 2 for the things she has been given exceeding in this year (all the English/literacy). She was at 3c for Maths at end Year 2 and got expected this year, but has made a lot of progress according to her teacher and my observations.

So assuming 2 sub levels progress (and I have no reason to suspect less progress than that iyswim) I imagine an exceeding is a secure level 4.

No means of tracking any individual progress in this new system.

Homeschooling has never looked like a better option.

Indole Tue 14-Jul-15 21:06:39

DD was a 3 in all areas last year (no idea what variety, just 3 was all we were told). She got exceeding expectations for everything except PE and Computing. No surprises there, really! Each area also mentions eg 'she has made expected progress' or whatever. In Maths she made slower than expected progress at the start of the year but has caught up to make expected progress over the whole year (but this is hardly surprising as she had a sweet but incompetent teacher who left part way through the year). Her teacher has told us informally that she would be working within Lvl 4 in old levels, possibly in Lvl 5 in some areas (not for a whole subject but part of a subject eg her creative writing is very good, really no surprise as she is currently writing a novel in her spare time).

MissWimpyDimple Tue 14-Jul-15 21:49:13

End of yr2 DD was 2a for maths 3 for reading and writing.

Now "expected" for maths and "exceeding" for reading and writing.

Basically I am none the wiser but assume that she is more or less following the same trajectory.

DeeWe Wed 15-Jul-15 09:24:55

Our school still uses the old levels. Which is a relief because it's taken me that long to get used to the old ones.
Ds was 3,3, 2b (writing) in year 2. 4c, 3a and 3b in year 3. So I'd guess probably exceeding, exceeding and expected, but I might be wrong. 4c is the highest they give in year 3, so I'd expect ti to be exceeding.

Kikimoon Wed 15-Jul-15 10:21:15

Mine got level 3s at the end of Y2, and now has 'Well above age-related expectation' for all aspects of English and Maths, and 'Above age-related expectation' for science and computing. She's doing level 4 in maths, but I am not sure whether that means she is level 4 or working towards.

BlueChampagne Wed 15-Jul-15 12:59:44

Yes in reading and writing; 3b at both at end of Y2. Not bad for August born.

christinarossetti Wed 15-Jul-15 14:24:17

My dd achieved L3s in Y2 and is now 'exceeding'.

She's made very good progress, which is all the school can say really to compare to Y2 results as the curriculum has changed.

mustardtree6 Wed 15-Jul-15 14:52:48

My DS (year 3) has been assessed as level 3a in Maths under the old system but only as "developing" under the new system. I'm really confused. What does this mean? The teacher has never mentioned any issues, in fact the opposite, he is constantly top of his class for maths. What to do?

christinarossetti Wed 15-Jul-15 15:15:26

Speak to his teacher mustardtree.

The school might still be getting to grips with its new assessment systems. There's a general sense of confusion about comparing last years attainment with this years and measuring progress.

IssyStark Wed 15-Jul-15 16:05:01

Our school is still on the old system.

On a grid we had where he was last year, what they expected him to achieve this year and what he did achieve this year, as well as shading in where they expect most children to be (i.e. 3a-c). He did as expected (for him) in English and Science (3a) and exceeded expectations in writing (was he's weakest last year as 2c and is now 3a) and Maths where he is 4c.

Quite whether these personal exceeding and as expected will translate to general exceeding and expected I'm not sure, I have a feeling that as he is at 3a or above and based on the comments in his report, that should translate to "Secure in almost all or all the end of year expectations and is able to use and apply their knowledge and skills confidently", e.g. exceeding, although he'd probably only been at expected for French.

Hersetta427 Wed 15-Jul-15 16:19:00

DD was 2a's across the board for year 2, and this yr she is meeting expectations across the board = that is as much as we get so no idea if she is at top or bottom of that range. It says she has made good progress but can't reconcile between the two levels really.

christinarossetti Thu 16-Jul-15 21:32:29

I think schools are having the same problem Hersetta427!

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