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Our school doesnt give out year 2 stats: why!

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ZeViteVitchofCwismas Sun 16-Nov-14 13:47:27

Teacher said something about it not being a true representation of years work so they give us that instead.

I get this but I would also like to see how child performs in exam compared to year level.

why not tell us if we want to know?

Timeforabiscuit Sun 16-Nov-14 13:51:34

I think its because sats are used as a measure of the school, not the child - so taking one child's result really doesn't mean an awful lot.

Happy to be corrected though! DD is in year 2 so I'm half curious as to how she does in SATs, but I don't think its going to materially change anything iyswim.

spanieleyes Sun 16-Nov-14 13:51:41

The test forms a small part of the teacher assessment and is used alongside other evidence to create an overall level.

spanieleyes Sun 16-Nov-14 13:54:26

Posted too soon!!

However the ARA for KS1 says

*Reporting results

Task and test results should be used to inform TA judgements. Levels must be finalised by Thursday 2 July and submitted to your local authority (LA) by the end of the summer term. Some LAs will ask for data earlier. Where this is the case they will contact you directly.

Schools are not required to report task and test results to their LA or the pupil’s next school if they move. If you have recorded this data, you may choose to include it in any data provided to the LA or next school. LAs do not give task and test results to us.

Schools are not obliged to report task or test results to parents. However, you should provide them if requested.*

So they should provide the test result if you ask for it but are not obliged to offer it!

AsBrightAsAJewel Sun 16-Nov-14 14:53:02

Don't forget the test papers can be taken at any point in the year, so if they are taken in February they can't be compared with a paper taken in June, or to the teacher assessment level awarded at the end of a school year.

tiggytape Sun 16-Nov-14 15:54:51

People will debate how useful they are but it is your child so if you want to know the results, ask and they will tell you.
If they refuse (which they shouldn't) then make it official by putting the request in writing to give them upto 2 weeks to tell you.

Of course if you go down the route of having to formally ask in order to get the results, it raises the problem of being potentially seen as difficult at the school but if you want the results, it is your right to have them.

In fact anything that the school keeps on record about your child can be seen by you if you ask (except if there is a child protection issue or if it would affect the privacy of other pupils). The school don't have the right to tell parents that they will keep information from them that is not useful, not commonly shared etc.

ZeViteVitchofCwismas Sun 16-Nov-14 21:50:01

of course if you go down the route of having to formally ask in order to get the results, it raises the problem of being potentially seen as difficult at the school but if you want the results, it is your right to have them. grin true or shows the school is difficult in making me do that.

I would be interested to see how exam also reflected term grade.

I also dislike the idea of my DD doing exams whose results are not shared. i dont like the secrecy and prefer transparency.

Iristutu Mon 17-Nov-14 07:48:53

Put it in writing, mine didn't give out levels last year. I wrote the request, two days later the entire class got them and I got a sorry we forgot.

ZeViteVitchofCwismas Mon 17-Nov-14 10:58:27

ours have said they dont give them out.

tiggytape Mon 17-Nov-14 14:28:04

They cannot have a blanket policy that simply says they won't tell you because the law relating to the information they hold says you have a right to know.

They can however have a policy that insists you ask officially rather than get automatically informed of all all results which is when it can get a bit back and forth (they say the results aren't helpful so don't release them, you say that you want them regardless, they ask why, you tell them, they say it isn't going to be helpful for you to knoe, you apply in writing, they are forced to tell you but possibly feel you're being difficult if no one else asks - although I suspect a lot of people will ask)

TheEnchantedForest Mon 17-Nov-14 18:23:54

What will the test result tell you if they sit the paper in Jan (in order to inform future planning) and achieve a 2c then are given a 2a (TA) by the teacher in the summer?
The TA is awarded based on knowledge of the entire curriculum, the test is a very narrow snapshot. they are very different things. A test is not a way of 'checking' the TA is accurate.

TheEnchantedForest Mon 17-Nov-14 18:25:56

Also, because the. y 2 papers are freely available online and some (odd) parents give their children the test at home prior to them taking it in school, it can no longer really provide any kind of reliable, accurate level.

Hulababy Mon 17-Nov-14 18:31:03

We do not routinely report y2 SAT task/test results. They form a very small part of the final teacher assessment at the end of the year.

Legally, if it is formally requested then the school must tell the parent.

It forms such a small part of the final result there is little reason to need it tbh - but if you definitely want it, then request it formally in writing.

I also dislike the idea of my DD doing exams whose results are not shared. i dont like the secrecy and prefer transparency.

Do you also ask for result of all internal tests too?

LePetitMarseillais Mon 17-Nov-14 18:39:19

All internal tests don't carry so much weight.That said I do ask every now and again re other tests too.

Given that KS2 targets are based on KS1 they're kind of crucial and it's inexcusable if parents have to hunt results down.

RafaIsTheKingOfClay Mon 17-Nov-14 18:52:38

The SATs task/test carries about as much weight as any internal test, or any other piece of work set by the teacher. Possibly less in the case of classwork.

KS2 targets are not set on the result of the test, they are set on the results of the teacher assessment of all the other work they have done throughout year 2. The test result is pretty much irrelevant unless it is sat at the end of the year and agrees with the teacher assessment level.

moonrocket Mon 17-Nov-14 18:52:52

Y2 'SATS' aren't exams!

TheEnchantedForest Mon 17-Nov-14 18:53:47

KS2 targets are based on y2 TEacher assessment NOT test results. The op has not said she has to hunt the TA down! This is given freely.

I would say the Ks1 SATs tests are given a lot less weight internally than other tests due to the fact they are so easily done at home with parents prior to the test.

AsBrightAsAJewel Mon 17-Nov-14 18:53:52

But KS2 targets were set on the teacher assessments not the tests.

TheEnchantedForest Mon 17-Nov-14 18:55:32

X posts. Rafa has said it all.

LePetitMarseillais Mon 17-Nov-14 20:30:22

So if I child got a 1 in ks1 Sats but their teacher thought they were a 2 they can disregard the Sat result and put them down as a 2?

RafaIsTheKingOfClay Mon 17-Nov-14 20:44:41

Yes, the ARA states that if the TA and test level do not agree the test level is disregarded. Or something along those lines. The test paper doesn't cover the full curriculum and a child may have a bad day, be ill, be in a school where it's presented as a test rather than just another piece of work and totally bomb the test. So if you have the evidence that a child is working at a particular level then that is the level that is reported, even if they don't manage to make that level on the test. It's the same the other way. If a child manages to get a 2A on the test but you only have evidence that they are usually a 2b, then 2B is what's reported.

Only the TA level is reported to the LA, not the test result. I'm not totally sure why the test wasn't scrapped along with the year 9 ones. It seems a bit pointless having it, but presumably someone somewhere decided 6 year olds liked sitting maths tests.

AsBrightAsAJewel Mon 17-Nov-14 20:44:46

Yes, LePetitMarseillais. There is no L1 test, but if they didn't achieve sufficient points on the level 2 paper to be awarded that level on the test, but the teacher still had enough evidence to prove they were working at a level 2 that is what the final teacher assessment would be. If they were given the L1 tasks instead of the L2 tests the teacher should be assuming that is the level they are working at.

Hulababy Mon 17-Nov-14 21:40:51

As already said the KS1 SATs have no bearing on KS2 targets. The reported, official Y2 SATs mark comes from teacher assessment, not from SATs. The SATs are just a very small part of TA and can been done once at any point in the whole of Y2 - so even in September if they want to.

mamadoc Mon 17-Nov-14 22:27:34

I'm a governor and just went on a really good data course about this stuff.

The end of KS2 test is not compulsory at all. It can be given and contribute to the teachers assessment but does not have to be.

We were told it would be very poor practice just to rely on the test for all the reasons given eg child (who is only 6 or 7 after all) has a bad day, isn't good at exams etc

There have been no new papers published for years so the papers are a bit outdated and don't reflect the curriculum and parents could rehearse at home if they really wanted to.

If you want the test result you can have it but it really won't tell you much. They probably don't want to have to get into explaining why the teachers assessment grade may be different.

I do think it is right to trust the assessment of the teacher who has known the child all year over one outdated test result on one day.

There is also the issue that if they are not really working securely at a higher level it may be to their detriment to be labelled at a higher level. Schools are under such pressure to ensure the required sub levels of progress are achieved and if the base is in reality lower than reported then the child has to work very hard to do this. I don't want that sort of pressure on my LO.

Feenie Mon 17-Nov-14 22:33:34

Sorry, some of that is incorrect - they are KS1 tests, and they absolutely are statutory; in fact, you are legally responsible for making sure the head sees they are carried out (see the KS1 ARA 2015).

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