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KaFayOLay Mon 16-Sep-13 20:01:47

Year 2 SATs results were 3 for all three categories. Now started year 3 and reading and maths targets were sent home on Friday. They were both 3c.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong but she must've reached at least 3c to be awarded a 3.
Bumped into head mistress this morning and queried it. She said that KS1 and KS2 level 3's are different and they like to consolidate the yr2 level 3 to make sure they are a strong KS2 level 3.

This sounds rubbish to me.
I am convinced my dd is part of the school's attempt to improve value add. She has gone from being on an ELP in reception to being in talented and gifted in yr 2. I don't believe she should've been on an ELP and I'm not sure they did much forher anyway.
I am right to be cynical or is this all correct and above board?

Elibean Tue 17-Sep-13 12:03:06

My eldest is now in Y5, and I do remember that in Y3 there was a lot of consolidation.

I don't think it was to do with boosting levels at the end of Y2 (dd's class had an external moderator checking the teacher's marking, and it was spot on) I think its just what people have said - the kids slide back a little over the holidays, and instead of being 'just' a 3c they need to be 'securely' a 3c (or whatever).

FWIW, dd didn't move much in Y3 - especially the first half of the year - but shot up in Y4. Kids don't progress in straight lines (nor do adults) so I think some stable times are to be expected.

BlackeyedSusan Tue 17-Sep-13 15:00:40

at the end of the term, that level would be fine. there is quite a lot to cover. she my hve only just got the targets needed for level three. for 3a, i think they need to be doing the minimum level three stuff, more of the level three stuff and have started achieveing some level four stuff, but not enough yet for a 4c.

that was how I read the guidance from one authority...

Iamnotminterested Tue 17-Sep-13 17:18:53

I suppose that every child's progress is different but DD2 made a lot of progress in year 3,(and in year 4 actually), she went up a whole level in reading and maths and 2 sub-levels in writing. But she's a highly motivated child who really rose to the challenge of being in juniors and her teachers are very good at getting the best out of her.

Wizard19 Thu 19-Sep-13 10:11:09

During the holidays, children unlearn a great deal of what they have been taught. Parents can help by being aware of what has been taught, and keeping it fresh by integrating into normal home activity. Probably not a popular idea, but going through a worksheet once a week, would help solidify the learning. Teachers have experienced this many times, thus the caution on targets in 1st term.

PastSellByDate Thu 19-Sep-13 10:48:27

Hi Mrs Melons:

I believe you are a victim of 'gaming' of the system.

It is in the school's interest to have pupils achieve NC Level 3 at end of KS1 (this shows good or outstanding progress across EYFS/ KS1).

It is also in the interest of the school at start of KS2 (whether same or different school - if infant/ junior schools are separated) - to 'dampen' down the end KS1 results.

This has been discussed on the 'staffroom' bit of Mumsnet Learning - but basically - most frequently when junior school is separate from infants - the start of KS2 comes with a readjustment of this score. This also seems to be the case at the start of secondary (Y7) where the KS2 SATs results are frequently overturned by new in-school testing (CAT, etc...).

What does this mean for you. Well the good news is that the KS1 result is reported to the LEA and can't be denied - so the school has to get the child to at least NC Level 5 (or whatever the new equivalent will be and NC Levels are meant to be dropped - more info here: to show good progress and NC Level 6 to demonstrate outstanding progress.

I would suspect the 3c was the target for end of term (maybe half-term) and not something to worry about too much. What it is saying is that this teacher doesn't feel your DC was securely NC Level 3 - not sure whether s/he's had time to fully assess your DC or not. It may be real (your DC isn't securely NC Level 3) or it may be gaming (start them lower so I can show 2 sub-levels progress or equivalent APP points for my performance review - remember performance related pay is coming).

However, I think you should trust that most likely this will all work out in the end and you should be expecting mid-high NC Level 5 result end Y6 and be looking to see she progresses toward that goal (if not exceeds it) as she works her way through KS2.


PastSellByDate Thu 19-Sep-13 10:49:10

Oops sorry:

Just realised original OP was KayFayOLay - don't know why I thought it was Mrs Melons

MrsMelons Thu 19-Sep-13 11:44:23


enderwoman Thu 19-Sep-13 17:28:36

In my limited experience as a parent, ks2 progress (level 3 and level 4) is slower than ks1 (level 1 and level 2) and ks3 (level 5 and level 6) because it's twice as long as ks1 and ks2 but the number of sub levels they go up is the same as the duration of ks1 / ks3.

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