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I don't have a reception place for September - HELP!

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flootshoot Tue 30-Jul-13 12:11:22

I've posted in chat but was advised to try here.

DS is 5 in Feb. We had planned to move from Brighton to Staines for months; at one point it looked like it wasn't going to happen and as such DS has a school
Place in Brighton. Surrey would not let me apply until I had proof of address in Staines which was fair enough. In the end our move happened quite suddenly about ten days ago. I've applied to Surrey but I've now been informed that he may not get allocated a school place at all for Sept. I do know what to do other than keep on at them.

Another Mnetter suggested approaching the neighbouring counties (Bucks/Berks) but I don't know if I am allowed to do that?

Any advice would be very much appreciated!

mam29 Tue 30-Jul-13 12:32:54

They have legal obligation to find you a place so yes keep on at them.

it being holidays might get slow response.

sometimes theres movement in september maybe some went private , moved away ect.

Yes nothing to stop you applying neigbouring counties here we apply to our own lea and put neigbouring counties schools down and they liase with each other or the schools if academies.

Theres also not legal obligation to put your child or home educate until term after 5th birthday so april next year in your case.

You can still use your 15hours grant sessions until term after 5th birthday os if could find preschool or nursery that may take him whilst you sort it out.

good luck. Lots admission experts on this board who will give good advice,

also mught be worth ringing bucks and berks just asking what vacancies they have and where so you can do some reserach over hols looking at sats, ofsted, school websites ect,

flootshoot Tue 30-Jul-13 13:09:20

Tried Berks, where as it turns out admissions are done by district council rather than county. Nearest one is Slough and their school admissions department is closed today... sigh.

What a nightmare. DS will go nuts at home if he has to hang on any longer than sept!

cottoncandy Tue 30-Jul-13 17:41:17

They do have to find him a place for September.

Make sure you are on as many waiting lists as they will let you go on.

flootshoot Tue 30-Jul-13 18:02:39

How do I go on a waiting list? <dense>

Do I ask the CC to put me on them, or do I contact the schools direct?

admission Tue 30-Jul-13 18:09:29

What you need to do is ensure that you have formally applied for a place at a Surrey based school. Surrey have an admission criteria that gives some priority (after sibling etc) to the school that is nearest based on straight line distance measurement.
So you really need to apply for a place at the school that is nearest to you. If Surrey cannot find a place for your son within reasonable travel distance then they will have to admit to a school by law. If you have put down the local school as your first preference that may help if they are really that short of places.
However what Surrey will do is look for places being available at all the schools within a 2 mile radius of your home. You need to be looking at all these schools and getting your name on Surrey's waiting list for places at all schools that seem within reasonable walking distance of your home. If you are on the waiting lists it does give you a chance of being offered a place by September.
However being reasonable most schools will be shut for the majority of August and Surrey may have difficulty speaking to the schools to confirm whether a place is available. They do not have to immediately offer you a place and I think you do need to be thinking in terms of not having a school place offered until sometime in September.

flootshoot Tue 30-Jul-13 18:28:35

Thanks admission. I sent in the form last week, and our preferences are the three nearest schools. I rang today to confirm they'd received it but they can't tell me until Friday hmm.

mikkii Tue 30-Jul-13 22:44:37

St Ignatius in Sunbury is where mine go, it is not usually oversubscribed and depending on here in Staines can be an easy journey.

flootshoot Wed 31-Jul-13 06:43:56

Thanks mikkii that's encouraging. Funnily enough my cousin's little boy goes there- he was hoping DS would end up at his school, looks like he could get his wish!!

springrain Thu 01-Aug-13 22:32:26

The following link shows the number of places originally offered by SCC for schools in your area so may give useful background info for you.


I would ask to go on wait lists for as many schools as possible in the area, and look to see if there is a place that you can accept maybe slightly further away whilst still remaining on the waitlist for nearer schools.

flootshoot Thu 01-Aug-13 22:57:52

Thanks for that Springrain. I've had a look at the neighbouring borough too. All schools full, this is not looking promising sad

springrain Thu 01-Aug-13 23:03:50

Does that include Kenyngton Manor? They initially only offered 54 of their 60 places. If they do have a space do not be put off by their OFSTED as they have made huge changes already.

flootshoot Thu 01-Aug-13 23:26:51

No, missed that one! All others though. I've got to call them tomorrow for an update. We shall see...

springrain Thu 01-Aug-13 23:51:40

If you look at the offers info from SCC those that do not give a distance cut off printed with the offer details are the ones that offered all the children that applied for a place, so at the time of the lists being published there was no one on the waitlist. Also quite a few of the schools in Spelthorne look like they have put on bulge classes and will have 60 rather than 30 intake, or some 90 rather than 60. You can tell them by the ** after the no of places offered. Worth asking about spaces at these even though they appear full per the listings as there is a higher probability of getting a place at them, given they have most likely already mopped up nearly everyone on their waitlists. Good luck.

flootshoot Sat 03-Aug-13 14:12:20

Quick update: DH spoke to the schools people yesterday and DS is now officially in the system in Surrey. We should hear on or before 20th August if and where he has a place. Nothing's resolved yet but I feel oddly relieved that they clearly have a system for this type of late applicant!

Anthracite Sat 03-Aug-13 18:52:34

Windsor & Maidenhead is very short on foundation spaces, so there really is no hope. Admission mention SCC looking at all schools within a 2 mile radius. The closest RWBM schools are all further from Staines than this.

There is probably a bit more slack in Runnymede schools (ie Hythe, Thorpe Lea, Thorpe) rather than Spelthorne. Do you live close to the bridge?

flootshoot Sat 03-Aug-13 19:44:16

We are almost next to the bridge, and I'd actually prefer a Runnymede school since when we buy in the next few months we'll be looking at Egham. What do you mean by RWBM?

NarkyNamechanger Sat 03-Aug-13 20:35:01

Royal Borough of Windsor and Maidenhead.

Massively oversubscribed here so wouldn't bother. Plus we are three tier system so it makes changeover a bit trickier.

flootshoot Sat 03-Aug-13 20:38:55

Oh I see of course! Ok I'll avoid there if it comes to picking schools for waiting lists. Fingers crossed Runnymede comes through....

flootshoot Tue 20-Aug-13 14:05:45

Oh feck. Phoned today as told for an update. DS is currently number 15 on the waiting list for our first choice, 11 for our second. He's been offered nothing else at all, no place anywhere. I've got to email them with a list of schools we want to be put on the waiting list for. I dont what else we csn do if there aren't any places. Am currently investigating he education...

jamtoast12 Tue 20-Aug-13 14:07:26

I thought they had to find him a place ie. bulge classes or excepted pupil?

flootshoot Tue 20-Aug-13 14:10:37

I'm told they're not obliged to find him somewhere until he turns five in feb. Any child with an earlier birthday will take priority. Presumably that means July/August born children could miss a whole year??

prh47bridge Tue 20-Aug-13 18:01:01

They are wrong. Refer them to paragraph 2.16 of the Admissions Code. This says they must provide for the admission of all children in the September following their fourth birthday. This is a statutory code so it has the force of law. They must find a place for your son now. They cannot put it off until he turns five.

Have you appealed? If not you should appeal for your first choice school immediately on the basis that the LA has broken one of the compulsory provisions of the Admissions Code and had they not done so your son would have a place.

admission Tue 20-Aug-13 18:18:32

Agree with PRH, the LA are confusing the need for compulsory education after 5 with the need to offer all a school place. Whilst I can see their point that children with an Autumn term birth date are probably their priority, they are breaking a compulsory provision of the Admission Code.
As PRH says you need to appeal immediately. I would appeal for both the schools applied for and word the appeal such that the LA having failed to meet the mandatory requirement to provide a place, you need either the panel to award a place or for the LA to invoke the Fair Access Protocol to give you a place at one of the schools.

flootshoot Tue 20-Aug-13 21:01:20

I haven't appealed yet, I only found out today he had no place. So, just to clear this up in my mind, they are legally obliged to find him a place for sept. I need to either appeal or at least ring them again and put my foot down.

PRH I'm not sure about the last bit you said; they may have broken the admissions code but he wouldn't have a place at the school regardless as we applied late and there was already a waiting list. Are you saying they've broken the code by not offering him a place there, or by not offering him a place at all? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I'm absolutely right before I attempt to kick arse!

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