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Bit disappointed about the phonics test

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Campaspe Mon 17-Jun-13 19:19:47

Have read with DD religiously just about every day, and we've spent plenty of time at home going over phonics. She came home today and told me she struggled with a lot of the words, and the teacher had a list of the ones she got wrong. So, it sounds as if in spite of her best efforts, DD didn't pass the check.

We read every night. We sound out words. She likes books and stories. She knows her sounds really well, but gets muddled when putting them back into words. We've worked together on this, but it just hasn't clicked yet. In class, she reads purple books and her teacher hasn't mentioned any concerns.

I feel disappointed that after all DD's (and mine!) work, it just hasn't clicked yet. What more can I do? Will it just sort itself out? Does it really matter?

Northernlurker Mon 17-Jun-13 19:25:20

No it doesn't matter. Forget about it. You are doing the best you can for dd by reading with her. It will click. The most important thing - for the rest of her LIFE not just this year at school, is that she enjoys reading and associates books with pleasurable things. Not stress.
Have you told her she did her best and you're proud of her? Just forget about this 'test' and read a book she enjoys with her.

AuntieStella Mon 17-Jun-13 19:31:30

The "test" is actually a screening. It highlights which pupils still need help in the specific skill of decoding. I hope your school has a good plan for what they will do with those who need a bit more support.

mrz Mon 17-Jun-13 19:33:38

^ She came home today and told me she struggled with a lot of the words, and the teacher had a list of the ones she got wrong^ The teacher is not meant to tell the child what they got right or wrong ...what on earth are they playing at!

and sorry but I disagree with Northerlurker the point of the screening check is to identify those children who will need extra support next year and unfortunately for about a 5th of children it doesn't ever click!

AuntieStella Mon 17-Jun-13 19:34:05

pressed "post too soon"

... Find out what that is, ways in which you can reinforce whatever they do in your activities at home.

Love of books is separate from the specific skill of rapid and accurate decoding. Try not to blur the two for her. And keep reading together.

learnandsay Mon 17-Jun-13 19:41:57

Jesus Christ, the poor child.

BabiesAreLikeBuses Mon 17-Jun-13 19:43:14

I'd be disappointed if my children came away from a screening check with a sense of failure. It should just have been another activity (for the child). If she hasn't passed i'd ask for a list of sounds she needs to work on and do extra practice on these. She should also get further support in school.
I think what northern was trying to say was it's not a predictor of future life success- just something to work on.

Northernlurker Mon 17-Jun-13 19:46:00

Thanks babies - yes by 'click' I meant that a child with a suppprtive parent and an interest in books is not going to be a child who fails develop her literacy. I think that this 'check' is putting a lot of pressure on parents who actually don't need to know to be put under pressure by it.

piprabbit Mon 17-Jun-13 19:46:39

I think that this is a conversation you should be having with your DDs teacher. Only she knows exactly how your DD did, the areas she found difficult and what additional support that you and the school might be able to give her if necessary.
Reassure your DD that you are proud she did her best and book an informal chat with her teacher.

mrz Mon 17-Jun-13 19:49:02

I wish that were true Northernlurker

simpson Mon 17-Jun-13 19:51:38

The yr2 kids that I read with today did their phonics test and they did not even know it was a test.

They all came out quite happy, their only worry was that the "test" was being done in the sanction room so they had to check they weren't being sent there because they were in trouble first grin

Northernlurker Mon 17-Jun-13 20:00:19

mrz - are you trying to freak the OP out now? hmm

mrz Mon 17-Jun-13 20:03:06

No Northernlurker are you trying to perpetuate myths?

learnandsay Mon 17-Jun-13 20:03:13

She'll have a different teacher next year. Maybe the whole thing will sort itself out.

mrz Mon 17-Jun-13 20:05:09

The point of the screening check it to identify children who might need extra support so that it is "sorted out" rather than leaving it to chance

Northernlurker Mon 17-Jun-13 20:06:39

It's a myth that having engaged and proactive parents who have fostered a love of reading and been supportive of a child's education is a less effective predictor of outcomes than a single episode of decoding sounds aged 6? Yup i'm all about that myth. hmm

I don't underestimate the importance of phonics but I do think the importance of this incident is being massively over-rated.

BabiesAreLikeBuses Mon 17-Jun-13 20:07:08

Things don't sort themselves out but teachers and parents knowing what needs to be worked on have a good chance of sorting it out

learnandsay Mon 17-Jun-13 20:07:29

Maybe the next year's teacher can tell the difference between a child who can decode and one who can't.

mrz Mon 17-Jun-13 20:08:48

^It's a myth that having engaged and proactive parents who have fostered a love of reading" will guarantee that a child will not struggle with literacy Northernlurker ...I can see you believe hmm

ReallyTired Mon 17-Jun-13 20:10:17

The sun will rise. The results of this test do not go on your child's CV.

Your daughter is not damned by this test. There are lots of facets to learning to read and it is possible to be weak at phonics and have good comprehension. (Like many very bright dyslexic people.)

This test is to ensure that children who are weak in one small area of literacy get the support they need to reach their potential.

mrz Mon 17-Jun-13 20:10:47

Next year's teacher won't have to learnandsay the screening check has identified those children who must be given support (by law)

simpson Mon 17-Jun-13 20:12:13

Only 5 kids passed the yr1 phonics check last year shock

All of yr2 (bar these 5 kids) took it again today obviously I don't know how they did but they seemed happy, not stressed etc (kids not teachers!)

A friend whose DC is one of the ones who has re-taken it this year says she was told which sounds he struggled with (majority were split vowel sounds I think) which the DC has been working on all year (and not to the test iyswim).

mrz Mon 17-Jun-13 20:13:55

The OPs daughter should not have known she was doing a "test" (especially since it isn't a test) she shouldn't have know if she got the words right or wrong and the teacher should not have sent home useless lists.

missmapp Mon 17-Jun-13 20:14:16

Ds1 always struggled with phonics- he had speech and lang difficulties as a pre -schooler- and struggled with phonics. However, he has a v good memory so this hid a lot of his difficulties until it was too late. he is 8 now and , though he reads well still struggles when faced with an unknown word and his spelling is dire.

Had his poor phonological awareness been picked up earlier, things may be better, so I think the poor phonics check your dd has, may actually help!!

( Of course she may have scored full marks and just be a worrier!)

Northernlurker Mon 17-Jun-13 20:14:31

Have you got shares in Jolly Phonics now mrz?

The op is stressed. Most likely completely without need and you are intent on predicting mis-spelled doom. Or dom. grin

You do realise that the world is full ofrather a lot of people who managed to learn to read and write without phonics don't you? Or is that a myth as well?

Our children's literacy should be everybody's concern but phonics are not a magic bullet nor should undue emphasis be placed on this.

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