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Year 1 Phonic Check

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BaconAndAvocado Sun 28-Apr-13 19:28:43

To,all you KS1 experts out there, how and when is this test carried out and what bearing does it have on a child's education?

Ds2 is a good reader thoughI worry about him being asked to read "nonsense words". If he thinks they're not real he won't attempt to read them!

mrz Tue 30-Apr-13 19:29:54

the check does exactly what it is intended to do ... it tests the ability to accurately decode.

daftdame Tue 30-Apr-13 19:32:15

mrz - Probably but I'm relying on people like you to point out exactly where I am wrong when I haven't realised them (the assumptions). Clearly - because interpreting subtext can easily go wrong! I'll do the same for you / others. It's how it works.

simpson Tue 30-Apr-13 19:34:18

Does the school have to submit the results?

MrsMelons Tue 30-Apr-13 19:34:28

Exactly Mrz, my DS is a high level reader but was able to do the phonics test with ease as not only can he decode well (as well as recognising by sight) - he can follow the simple instructions of reading normal and alien words. He can understand in a sentence if a word didn't make sense but that is not what the phonics check is asking.

When reading to himself he is a skim reader like me but it doesn't hinder him from reading properly when required.

mrz Tue 30-Apr-13 19:37:10

yes simpson the school has to submit the results and must inform parents of their own child's results

learnandsay Tue 30-Apr-13 19:37:10

Personally I think the test is a great idea. But I do think the abnormality of what the children are being asked to do should be a bit more recognised. And, given that it's a bit of a weird way to behave from start to finish, with some bits weirder than others, I don't think the experts should get their knickers in too much of a twist if some children make a hash of it. If children were always reading lists of isolated words some nonsensical with alien pictures beside them, then OK. But they're not.

mrz Tue 30-Apr-13 19:46:08

The problem with that logic learnandsay data built up from many years experience involving many thousand of children indicates that those seemingly good readers who are unable to decode (any) words accurately are exactly the ones we should get our knickers in a twist over.

learnandsay Tue 30-Apr-13 19:53:12

Maybe so. But at the moment we seem to be discussing the children who misread the alien words as real words. If any child got 0 out of 40 on the test, decoding or not I'd be worried, never mind about decoding.

simpson Tue 30-Apr-13 19:56:00

Also one other thing...the kids who failed it in yr 1 (and there were lots in my DC school) have to retake it in yr2. What if they fail it then?

mrz Tue 30-Apr-13 20:01:09

Yes we are learnandsay ... and that is the same test used by Ed Psychs and those conduction brain research into reading difficulties.

mrz Tue 30-Apr-13 20:02:23

simpson they are meant to receive extra support but won't be formally retested in Y3

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