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WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 23-Apr-13 00:40:22

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TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 23-Apr-13 06:42:42

Infant classes are limited to 30 and the criteria order is usually something like: looked after children, social/medical need, siblings, distance. You should be able to find LittleX's criteria on your county council website as well as the furthest distance admitted in recent years. If it's not up there, you can ring them and ask.

Whatever the criteria, once the school has admitted enough children to fill the reception year with class sizes of no more than 30, it is full and has to stop admitting children.

Some schools split year groups and so can admit eg 45 children not a multiple of 30, but the principle is the same.

tiggytape Tue 23-Apr-13 09:16:06

Will the LEA allocate us to one of the primaries in the City 20 minutes further away, or will Little X school have to admit children from our hamlet?

You would be sent to one of the schools a bit further away that still has places spare.

Little X School might agree to take extra children (a bulge class which is a one-year-only fix or a permanent expansion to form an extra class) but that is never guaranteed especially if there are other schools in the area with vacancies.
Little X School cannot just enlarge existing class sizes, it would have to decide whether creating a whole extra class in that year was warranted / desirable / possible.

As you have time now, it might be worth looking at the schools 20 minutes away and deciding which one would be your plan B. Hopefully you will get a place at Little X School but, if not, it is much better to get a school you have chosen as an alternative rather than a council allocated one which will probably be the one that nobody else wanted.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 23-Apr-13 11:21:01

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mummytime Tue 23-Apr-13 11:27:30

You should always use your full quota of choices. All areas in England operate an equal preference system; which means the school does not know which place you put them on the form. They basically rank each of the applicants by their admissions criteria, and then the LA offers you the school which you qualify for and you ranked highest, thereby freeing other choices for people who ranked them more highly than you did.

Btw are you Maidenhead and Windsor? If so the boys upper school in three tier is supposed to be good.

Pyrrah Tue 23-Apr-13 11:28:50

Distance is vital - once the other categories have been considered, it is all done on very strict distance. If you don't live in Little X and all the other children who applied do, then you will be the last on the waiting list.

Whether moving there will help - it may put you higher up the waiting list, but if it is an area where people very rarely move then you could be top of the list and still not get a place.

Putting another choice won't affect your chances at school A at all. If you are offered a school, you should accept the place - it won't affect your chances elsewhere, but if you turn it down, the LA does NOT have to find you another school: they will assume that you plan to home school or use private education.

Definitely check out the other possibles and try for the best of the bunch - better a choice you have made than one made for you.

You can even send your child to school B and stay on the waiting list for years.The school I am after a place at has children do that and then they get a place 2 or 3 years down the line.

tiggytape Tue 23-Apr-13 12:37:49

would putting a second choice make us less likely to get our first choice

No not at all. You should fill up your list to avoid getting a council allocation that nobody else wants if it turns out your chosen school is full.

Equal preference (which all councils must use) means that the council look at your list and see which schools you qualify for that year based on distance and who else is applying who lives closer.

If you qualify for offers at 2 or more schools, you will get whichever school you have ranked highest (each person only gets one offer so you won't get offers from both schools, just the one you said you liked best)

If you only listed Little X School and no other this would not increase the chances of a place. Either you qualify on distance or you don't - nothing you can do on the form will change that.

dilbertina Tue 23-Apr-13 12:49:47

Do check the admissions criteria. Some schools, especially in rural areas have an additional element in the distance criteria so it also takes account of distance to next closest alternative school. Where we used to live in a rural hamlet, we actually had priority at the nearest village school, 2 miles away, over those living right in the village because they also had the option of another school a mile in the opposite direction whereas we lived in a school blackhole.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 23-Apr-13 19:30:18

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WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 23-Apr-13 19:31:47

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TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 23-Apr-13 19:43:53

No the preschool won't be a qualifying factor.

PAN of 40 is unusual, do you know from others how the classes are set up?

rufusnine Tue 23-Apr-13 19:45:03

PAN =Planned Admission Number meaning that the school has set their proposed entry number in September at 40. So out of the children who apply for places the 1st 40 children will be admitted with reference to their ranking by the school's admission criteria.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 23-Apr-13 19:49:50

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tiggytape Tue 23-Apr-13 20:01:33

It could be mixed classes eg a class of 30 and then 10 children mixed with 20 Year 1 pupils or Year 1 and Year 2 pupils.

If there are less than 30 per class, it won't help with admissions but gives you a greater chance should it come to an appeal later on.
If there are 30 per class (in any combination of YR, Y1 and Y2 pupils) even an appeal would be unlikely to succeed.

If you moved closer to the school, you'd have a better chance (assuming it is siblings and distance that are the admission criteria not faith or anything extra) but nothing is certain. In some very popular schools every single place gets offered to a sibling with no places left at all for other children no matter how close they live. That is more common in crowded cities and doesn't sound like it would apply to your area but it is just an example to show that sometimes, you can only increase your odds not guarantee anything.

Attendance at the pre school has no impact on your chances of being offered a place.

rufusnine Tue 23-Apr-13 20:05:50

Does seem to be a funny number but schools can have 2 new intake classes or mixed Yr group classes to accomodate the numbers. You could ask someone who already goes to the school how it usually works or just ring the school to ask how they manage their intakes. ie how many reception classes or do they have mixed year groups etc. You will not be asking anything they haven't asked before

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 23-Apr-13 20:16:13

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admission Tue 23-Apr-13 22:05:55

40 is one of those really lousy numbers for admissions to school as it does not divide up that easily.
The bottom line is that based on 40 x 7 year groups = 280, there are probably 9 or 10 classrooms.
The easiest way of splitting up the classes if the school was full, so that the infant classes are no more than 30 is to say that there are a total of 120 pupils (at maximum ) in reception, year 1 and year 2 and that is 4 classrooms of 30. There are then 4 year groups of 40 in years 3 to 6 and that equates to 160 pupils in total and that is 5 classrooms of average 32 or 6 classrooms of average 26/27.
What you have actually got is a school that is actually not full, the only year group that is full is year 2. The year group for reception is particularly small at 24 against a PAN of 40 as year 1 with 27 pupils.
The added complication is that you have an EYFS unit which should be a mix of reception and nursery kids. That is often 60 in number, (That is 2 teachers) but if the PAN is 40 and there are that many pupils then the EYFS would have 70 in it and therefore need three teachers. It might be quite interesting to ask the school what exactly is the capacity of the EYFS unit.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 23-Apr-13 22:12:31

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WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 23-Apr-13 22:22:28

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tiggytape Tue 23-Apr-13 22:37:51

WouldHarriet - for ratio / admission purposes TAs do not count. The rule is one qualified teacher per 30 children (maximum) regardless of other staff numbers.

You can ask for the official breakdown of figures but, as admissions says, the year groups don't seem full.

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 23-Apr-13 22:42:24

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