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MrsGWay Thu 04-Apr-13 14:45:36

I am trying to decipher what we were told at my daughter's parents evening. Her reading ability had been tested and she is beyond the reading scheme, despite bringing home turquoise level books. She needs to work on her expression (very true) but finds the books terribly boring. In fact she is a reluctant reader.
Apparently in the test she only got 10 words wrong which gave her a score of 30. Does anybody know which test this might be?

simpson Mon 08-Apr-13 21:44:42


maizieD Mon 08-Apr-13 21:24:59

Because it shows up their inadequate teaching, Simpson?

simpson Mon 08-Apr-13 20:18:41

And also why some HT/schools don't agree with the phonics test....

carriedawayannie Mon 08-Apr-13 15:51:03

Thanks smile

mrz Mon 08-Apr-13 14:02:05

I think lots of schools got an unpleasant surprise with the results of last year's check carriedawayannie which is possibly why some schools are practising in reception. It shouldn't be necessary.

mrz Mon 08-Apr-13 13:56:45

Very normal the phonics check happens in June of Year 1

maizieD Mon 08-Apr-13 13:56:11

Six year olds should not be expecting every word they read to 'make sense'. They will not have a full receptive or expressive vocabulary and will be encountering lots of spoken words which are not in their vocabularies. Likewise, if they are 'good readers' and reading widely they will also be encountering unfamiliar written words. If they consistently try to turn these into words that they 'know' they will be well on the way to becoming inaccurate poor readers. I am really shocked that people seem to be unable to understand this.

carriedawayannie Mon 08-Apr-13 13:55:12

Thanks mrsz.

No one at dd1s school has mentioned this test, she's in reception. Is that normal?

mrz Mon 08-Apr-13 12:04:23

For the record all our very good readers scored 40/40

mrz Mon 08-Apr-13 11:59:18

carriedawayannie if a child doesn't meet the expected level (last year it was 32/40) they will be given extra support.
If the test is administered correctly there is no reason why she should expect the pseudo words to make sense,

mrz Mon 08-Apr-13 11:55:32

Presumably there has always been a bottle on the shelf and you've never had to ask an assistant for help learnandsay.

carriedawayannie Mon 08-Apr-13 11:37:59

Jamtoast - I was thinking the same tbh when dd1 was doing the practice test.

I was wondering if she would find it as easy next year when she would expect the words to make sense.

freetrait Mon 08-Apr-13 11:32:46

jamtoast- I think five and six year olds may do this if they have not been taught well. My son certainly has become a lot more confident over the last year in tackling new words.

Perhaps many children go through a stage in their reading, between hestitancy and fluency where they are pretty fluent but can become frozen by a word they don't know. It's at this stage that it takes a sensitive teacher/parent to coax and encourage/insist (depending on child's personality type!) that they sound out using their phonic knowlege with the letters/sounds they see, rather than guessing.

maizieD Mon 08-Apr-13 11:24:24

Could it be that the test is 'easier' to pass for lower level readers in the sense that they are likely still sounding etc whereas higher level readers presume there's a mistake and read the word differently

I'm sorry, but that is an absolutely absurd argument. Do you seriously think that a six year old has a full reading vocabulary and will never ever encounter an unfamiliar word again?

I have been reading for 50+ years and I still come across unfamiliar words from time to time. Am I stupid enough to try to turn them into words I 'know'? Would you do that? I don't think so. So why support faulty reading in a six year old and allow them to develop a potentially very bad habit?

PS. I also sound out and blend unfamiliar words. It's not a crime; it's a necessary skill.

simpson Mon 08-Apr-13 11:13:23

Jamtoast - I guess that is why they are told they may not be able to understand the aliens who want to communicate iyswim.

Loads of books have nonsense words in like Dr Suess....

jamtoast12 Mon 08-Apr-13 11:04:02

Could it be that the test is 'easier' to pass for lower level readers in the sense that they are likely still sounding etc whereas higher level readers presume there's a mistake and read the word differently (even though they could read nonsense words but just presume its something else)? Not saying its right but just that's they're not expecting odd words?

freetrait Mon 08-Apr-13 10:52:26

By Y1 they are experts at nonsense words if the teacher approaches it correctly, so I wouldn't worry about it. Well, my DS is. It's just one of those things that schools do at the moment. It's much more fun to try to get DS to have a go at proper words which may well catch out a fair few grown ups grin. He enjoys this! He also knows that grown ups are not infallible re pronouncing words, far from it (he corrected my pronounciation of iguanodon the other day), so it's best just to have a go (I think this stops some of the better readers who think they ought to know the word?)

learnandsay Mon 08-Apr-13 10:51:59

Maybe the phonics check should just consist of made up words alone. Then they wouldn't need the alien pictures because some children are being taught not to look at the pictures and you can't teach don't look, don't look

wait, no, look -- whoops

carriedawayannie Mon 08-Apr-13 10:44:19

I just did a quick practice test I downloaded onto my phone.

Dd1, in reception, did ok with the made up words and just approached them with the same way she approaches real words she didn't know.

She wanted to know what they meant though which is tricky to explain they are just nonsense. I didn't really say that but felt like it!

This particular test had pictures of aliens, one of which looked like a dragon and she was trying to use this picture to work out the word. I had to tell her to ignore the picture which goes against what she is taught in school so how is that helpful?

learnandsay Mon 08-Apr-13 10:31:24

I guess it depends on the test. If it's the phonics screening check then she'll have to do it again if she's in Y1 now. If this was her second time I don't know what happens. (Perhaps she can't read from now on.)

cumbrialass Mon 08-Apr-13 10:31:11

But you can make a phonetically plausible attempt at
Lech, Okokim, Tatra, Tyskie etc. Which is all the children are asked to do.

carriedawayannie Mon 08-Apr-13 10:28:21

What happens if they fail? Does it affect the child at all?

learnandsay Mon 08-Apr-13 10:26:56

I used to buy Polish stock powder too. But since I've moved house I can't find it. I can't pronounce that either but I'd recognise it it I saw it.

learnandsay Mon 08-Apr-13 10:25:24

Presumably there's a difference between being able to recognise a brand and product and being able to pronounce it. I buy Polish beer sometimes. I sure can't pronounce it but I can buy the same bottle each time.

mrz Mon 08-Apr-13 10:20:42

I hope she never struggles but unfortunately many adults do

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