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What is in year 2 / ks1 sats?

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absolutelyflawed · 15/03/2013 22:51

As it says really! Thanks

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ipadquietly · 15/03/2013 23:00

I'm sure, if you are that concerned, you would have googled 'year 2 sats', and several old Y2 sats papers would have appeared, so I question why you're asking. That will give you your answer.

However, Y2 end of year assessment is the teacher's assessment of the child's level through continuous assessment of work in class against national curriculum levels. The SATs tests can be given at any time between Jan and June, and the results are used to support the teacher's assessments.

(We've done our SATs already.)

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postmanpatscat · 15/03/2013 23:56

We have to assess reading, writing, spelling, handwriting, maths and science. Anyone who did not pass the phonics screening check in Y1 also has to do it again in Y2.

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ipadquietly · 16/03/2013 00:16

No the don't * postman. It's at the HT's discretion. S/he can enter a 'D' against a child's name ig s/he thinks it is a waste of time retesting.

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Feenie · 16/03/2013 00:58

We have to assess reading, writing, spelling, handwriting, maths and science.

Yes - exactly the same as Y1, Y2, Y3, etc.

The only difference is it is reported to parents and the assessment has include a test as a small part. But it's the exact same assessment procedure.

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Feenie · 16/03/2013 01:00

No the don't postman. It's at the HT's discretion. S/he can enter a 'D' against a child's name ig s/he thinks it is a waste of time retesting.*

You can bet that they would have to have a damn good reason not to though. SIPs are all over these results atm.

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ipadquietly · 16/03/2013 11:22

We are on the basis of Y2 reading assessments. In our recent Ofsted, the inspectors didn't even comment on the phonics test, only on progress in reading.

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mrz · 16/03/2013 12:51

But the phonics check is not about reading assessments Confused

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ipadquietly · 16/03/2013 13:18

I disagree. Early phonics teaching (which I agree with wholeheartedly BTW) gives the children a tool to help them progress more quickly with reading.

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mrz · 16/03/2013 13:35

it is also a tool for spelling ...

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ipadquietly · 16/03/2013 13:52

I agree with that too! Grin. Spelling in the early years has come on leaps and bounds since daily phonics lessons were introduced.

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mrz · 16/03/2013 14:07

Therefore the phonics check is about more than reading assessments

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mrz · 16/03/2013 14:11

I won't be re-checking those pupils who scored 30-31 last year

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ipadquietly · 16/03/2013 14:13

How does the phonics check test a child's spelling? We all know of children who read well phonetically, but have a mental block when it comes to spelling. It's not the same skill.

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mrz · 16/03/2013 14:24

If that's the case ipadquietly I would definitely be repeating the phonics check for those pupils

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ipadquietly · 16/03/2013 14:24

Personally, I think rechecks could have been done in the Autumn term (using the 2012 words) - leaving it a year is just taking the piss. I really can't see the reasoning behind it. Any child scoring poorly last year should have been given phonics intervention and his/her progress carefully monitored over the year. Giving a test the following June will have no impact on the child nor the data! Hmm

And why all the expensive packs and courses for teachers who did the check last year? Why can't they just e-mail the words to headteachers on a particular date in June, we print them out and test the children? Geeeeeeeezzzzzzz.... all this money wasting makes my blood boil!

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learnandsay · 16/03/2013 14:28

Some bright spark probably worried that emailing the words out might let people see it who shouldn't and then some children might get a sneak peek.

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mrz · 16/03/2013 14:32

Perhaps the government are afraid some schools will be "teaching to the test" if the same words were used and I can just imagine the excuses if a child failed again in autumn ...they didn't give schools time to teach these children ... it would rate with all the good readers failing because of pseudo words.

And why all the expensive packs and courses for teachers who did the check last year? I can't answer that as it isn't happening in my LEA. I administered the test last year and will again this year ...no training.

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learnandsay · 16/03/2013 14:35

What is a course for a phonics test? Can't the testers just have a set of instructions? The child is the one doing all the work!

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Feenie · 16/03/2013 14:39

I administered the test also - The Y1 teachers and I watched the training video.

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mrz · 16/03/2013 14:41

The testers do get a set of instructions and a video ... actually each child works for about 2 minutes and the person administering the check considerably longer per child in completing the paperwork.

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Mashabell · 16/03/2013 15:47

all this money wasting makes my blood boil!

Mine too, but the stupidity of having to test reading with nonsense words makes many teachers even angrier because the pronunciations of many English letters and letter strings depend on the words they are in:
o: on - only - once - other: ou: sound - soup - double ...

The phonics test is a criminal waste of time and money.

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mrz · 16/03/2013 15:50

I thought you would like the nonsense words masha since most of your posts are nonsense

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ClayDavis · 16/03/2013 15:59

Congratulations, on what must be your shortest ever list though.

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ipadquietly · 16/03/2013 16:01

Must be my LA wasting money then - all Y1 teachers administering the test had to attend a half day course this year as well (even if they are the same teachers who administered it last year....)

learnandsay just have a vision of parents hacking into school emails to get sneak preview.....Grin

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mrz · 16/03/2013 16:16

We didn't have training last year either just the guidance and the video.

my friend's son hacked his school's SIMs when he was just 6 Hmm

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