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Mummysaysno Wed 06-Feb-13 09:00:11

We're at an overseas school, and I'd really like to know if schools in the UK will make a child repeat a year (KS1) if they're behind.
My experience of UK (independent) schools is more that children will be asked to leave if they're not keeping up.
I would really value some up to date info on what both state and independent schools are kids have to repeat?

BIgBagofJelly Sun 08-Jan-17 12:40:25

It really depends, if your DC is young for their year and the school feel they'd be better suited in the year below then I think this is fine. It's slightly ridiculous to have such a rigid cut off - most countries allow flexibility for children on the boundary. (My only concern would be that if your returned to the UK they'd be forced back into the "correct" year group).

If your DC is just simply a little behind and they're just dumping them in the year below I don't think it's a good idea. They should be able to support a range of abilities and levels of development and simply repeating the entire year as an alternative to providing concentrated support is not adequate in my opinion.

bojorojo Sat 07-Jan-17 18:47:25

Gosh! Didn't notice that. Totally agree LISZ.

LIZS Sat 07-Jan-17 18:29:39

Why revive a zombie thread to be so narrow minded confused

bojorojo Sat 07-Jan-17 18:27:53

Adeyj. I think your post is somewhat offensive and the use of the word "retarded" is not acceptable. As I am a governor at a primary school, I can assure you that schools work very hard to educate all the children. However, a few children find learning difficult and we spend a great deal of time, energy and resources ensuring they achieve as much as they possibly can. If children have learning difficulties, and many independent schools will not take these children, it is unfortunate that they struggle with their learning and attain less than their peers. It is the nature of SEN for some children. The vast majority of schools have high expectations. I think your attitude to SEN pupils is very unkind and of course, as far as possible, they should be educated with their peers in the correct age group. Their social and emotional needs may well be better met by this course of action. Being kept down is very demeaning for many children and really singles them out as different and can severely harm self-esteem. Even a child that struggles academically can enjoy art, sport and music with their peers and be part of a friendship group.

What university can you get into with a single E grade? Please let us all know!

mrz Sat 07-Jan-17 16:25:29

It's unusual in state schools unless a child has significant SEN to be taught out of year. Sometimes schools will do this as a temporary measure but it can lead to problems when transferring to other schools resulting in the child having to miss a year to return to win year group.

Adeyj Sat 07-Jan-17 14:35:15

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trinity0097 Thu 07-Feb-13 07:41:08

I work in a UK Prep school, this year two children are repeating yr 5, one who had been with us before and a new pupil, and we are considering keeping back another 2 pupils of different ages. It's unusual for us, but we do do it if it's best for the child emotionally or academically.

Mummysaysno Thu 07-Feb-13 00:59:19

I've been really interested in so many different outlooks and experiences here. I would worry that if there was an underlying problem (in our situation) keeping a child back won't solve it, and then if it keeps happening then the age difference just grows and grows...however, that is me catastrophising as clearly if my child was still struggling, we would seek an assessment from an educational psychologist, to look in to reasons why, to make sure we had access to the right support.
However, I don't want to rush in to doing this now, as I can't work out if my child is just a normal energetic young thing who is far more interested in other things than learning, which could just be age appropriate!
I do however feel better about the whole thing thanks to everyone's replies, as at least I don't feel like we're the only ones!!wink

VanCampsPorknBeans Wed 06-Feb-13 22:08:09

My dd is now "repeating" y3. DD was born 27 Dec 2004, but has been a grade level ahead because we were living in France, where the cutoff is 31 Dec. I knew from the moment dd enter school, that it wasn't right. That dd was more equally yolked with the children a grade lower. There was no convincing the French local school authorities of that. So when we relocated to England, we put dd in private school and asked them to put her in her correct grade. DD is thriving. Being the least mature (physically, mentally, emotionally) in the class was really doing dd'd head-in. She was losing confidence in herself - always coming in last or near last in all areas of school life.

Galaxymum Wed 06-Feb-13 16:15:40

A very useful thread and interedting pros and cons. We have this dilemma currently as the school has suggested keeping DD in year 2 when her peers move up in Sept. The issues are it's mixed classes with larger year 4 next year. Also DD hss HFA and this has held back her achievements. Socially she is more on a par with year below but it feels a huge decision.

I do wonder if it is just covering up the school.aren't supporting her effectively.

weegiemum Wed 06-Feb-13 11:25:06

I looked into this as we (briefly) contemplated moving to London from Scotland. I've 3 dc - dd1 is 13 (today!) and in s1 (y7)' ds was 11 this week and is in p6 (y5) and dd2 is 9 in p5 (y4). I phoned the educationoffice in the borough we though of moving to and was told that they had to go into the year appropriate to their age, even though dd1 and ds hadn't started school till they were 5 and a half! They also said there couldn't be any english language support for them, even though they're native Gaelic speakers and didn't start reading in English till age 8.
We decided to stay in Scotland, and this was a large part of it. There isn't a "UK" education system.

Mummysaysno Wed 06-Feb-13 11:12:21

Thanks everyone...all pros and cons raised useful!

Portofino Wed 06-Feb-13 10:13:28

They do this in Belgium - it is very common. Dd's friend was really struggling with maths despite extra tutoring and they decided to get her to repeat the year. She is not stigmatised by it, and has caught up.

EarlyInTheMorning Wed 06-Feb-13 10:12:54

Mummysaysno, the circumstances for every child are different so your DC won't necessarily have a bad experience. I feel bad that I have painted such a negative picture but this truly is the way it was back then. The kids made to repeat a year wouldn't necessarily be young for their year group, quite often in fact they were old for the year group and had different issues altogether.

Quite often, making them repeat a year resulted in them being 2 years older than the other kids. Things would only get worse for all involved from that point onwards, as the older kids would get even more bored and disengaged than they were initially.

My last year of primary school I was a 13 year old girl (standard in my country - secondary starts at 14 yo). There were boys in my class who were 15 years old. This was not good.

JoInScotland Wed 06-Feb-13 10:11:10

Are you in America? This was standard when I went to primary school there in the 70s and 80s. It was for children who were really struggling with the work. I think they have better strategies now, more help for children who need it, but of course that costs money and perhaps your children's school does not have it?

The trouble with keeping children back is that they become physically different from their classmates. I was a tiny 6 year old in first grade, and John who had repeated first grade more than once was 9 and huge - used to chase me on the way home, hit and kick me. He really needed more help than being kept back repeatedly, but it was 1979....

deXavia Wed 06-Feb-13 10:10:43

Hello Mummysaysno (Seorae Maeul from many NCs ago!) I think with international schools you have to also watch when they do their cut offs. So some run Jan to Dec but others run like the UK Sept to August. So I find that kids can seem a year ahead or behind the UK system. Then when they 'go home' it can be either a easy landing or they are suddenly plonked into a higher year. DS is in the 'right' year for the UK but deemed to be repeating where we are. However it is absolutely the best thing we ever did and is the right decision for him.

But the international schools abroad tend to be quite shocking in terms of extra support - however there are some good out of school options and I have found its very dependent on the teacher / head as to what you get. Back in the UK I guess it comes down to local authorities and how easy it is to access help.

tiggytape Wed 06-Feb-13 10:03:47

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Mummysaysno Wed 06-Feb-13 10:01:43

No not in Portugal, but interesting to read. I have more than one child and have experience of the full range of academic ability, so feel like i've experienced a wide range of issues, but didn't see this coming. Where we came from in London children would be asked to leave school if they were struggling, and obviously that is very very hurtful.
My mummy instinct agrees with the poster who talked about the child being stigmatized by being kept back...ultimately that is my fear, and with that comes anger in that protective way we have for our children.
As a mum I just want my children to be happy and accepted and confident. How this happens with children who struggle academically isn't straightforward and I don't have the answer...

FossilMum Wed 06-Feb-13 09:59:57

A positive perspective on changing year groups: when I was 9 and changed school systems when we moved to Canada, I found the work really easy and after a few months the school suggested moving me up a year. I was a lot happier in the next year group up: not only was it more interesting, but for some reason I immediately got on better with the new group of children.

When I was 10 I had a friend who was really struggling at school, and at the end of the year the school decided to hold her back a year as they did not feel she was yet ready for high school. She was initially very shocked and upset by the decision, but when I spoke to her a few months into the new year she was really happy, as she finally felt on top of things and "near the top of the class, instead of always at the bottom", feeling hopelessly lost and left behind. When she started high school the next year she again said that staying back that one year had definitely helped her, as she would not have been ready for high school the previous year.

So it can be a very positive thing, at least in some cases. After all, there is almost a 1-year difference in age within one year group anyway - though it might be harder if the child was already at the far extreme of their usual year group. I imagine it would be easier if seen as normal for the local system, or if the child can use the difference in systems between countries as an 'excuse' for being in a different year group from usual if they face any possible teasing.

jkklpu Wed 06-Feb-13 09:46:45

Are you in France or Portugal? I know they do it there. Last year I met the mother of 2 boys 18mths apart in age in Portugal. They are both in a small village school and her elder boy was about to start his second repetition of a year and would be in the same class as his younger brother. Really awful for all of them. But the school had no additional resources to support the elder boy.

CoffeeandDunkingBiscuits Wed 06-Feb-13 09:42:16

In our school there are two children who have been kept back a year. Both stayed in reception whilst the rest of the class went to year one. One was this academic year and one was last academic year. So it does happen if necessary. (State school)

Mummysaysno Wed 06-Feb-13 09:40:12

Interesting viewpoints on positive side...for me I would rather have kids with kids their age for all the friendship social side of it, and have the support needed. Plus if there is a reason why, then that needs to be looked in to, and help put in place.
If it was happening to three or so children per class then this would make it more normal and not make the child feel like there is something wrong with them.
But positive thoughts on it help, as if we have no choice then being able to see what's good about it help!
One thing does concern me is if this happens, then we return to UK, how will that work...either they join a class with kids a year younger if it's not happening, or they have to join the year they should be, and are behind and feel totally at sea!
Or do I need to take a step back and exhale!

tiggytape Wed 06-Feb-13 09:36:09

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Scootee Wed 06-Feb-13 09:36:03

In the uk:

A state school will keep the child in their correct academic year and put additional support in place for them. I have a friend who had this for her ds.

A private school may choose to do the same as a state school. I have a friend who had this for her dd.

Or a private school may have the child repeat the year and stay "down a year". Again, know someone who has this.

Or the private school may ask the child to leave. Would think more usual for an older child, not seen this happen myself.

Or the private school may let the child struggle in their correct year group with no help to nudge the parents into removing them. (Nasty!). Seen this scenario on mumsnet.

EarlyInTheMorning Wed 06-Feb-13 09:34:00

That was standard practice in my home country when I was growing up. Not really sure if it still is though. Horrid horrid horrid way to go about things. Basically the school detaches themselves from the fact that a child is not keeping up, and instead of providing extra support they just leave them behind to go through the same stuff all over again but this time without their peers. The stigma attached to this situation as far as their schoolmates are concerned marks them as 'stupid' for the rest of their time at that school. The child that is left behind will see the other kids they started with progressing ahead whilst they'll be left with 'the little ones'. In most cases this doesn't work when all the kid needs is some dedicated support. I can see how this may work is some other more complicated cases though.

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