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Calling mrz, feenie, maizieD, other phonics there an omission in the Phonics International alphabetic Code chart? Or am I going ever so slightly loopy?

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Greythorne Mon 04-Feb-13 17:50:53

(We are in France, hence the 'parent going it alone' situation before anyone suggests talking to the teacher).

We were working on which, what, when, why, who words tonight....came to "who" and DD went to pronounce it with the initial /w/ sound, like when, what etc. I said, no, sometimes the sound of "wh" is /h/. Got the Phonics International Chart out....but under /h/ there is just one entry (hat) and no "wh"....

Is it a mistake or I am getting myself tied up in phonics knots?

I would be so grateful if mrz, feenie, maizieD and any other phonics gurus could advise.

PeppermintCreams Mon 04-Feb-13 17:57:48

Yes there is an omission. Try this one:

Can't guarantee there aren't any errors on this one though!

Greythorne Mon 04-Feb-13 18:09:32

Oh, FFS! trust me to google and end up with the one with mistakes!


DD and I spent most of the weekend creating our own, homemade wall chart based on the one I linked to, complete with drawings. Going to have to check it agaibst the second chart now.


PeppermintCreams Mon 04-Feb-13 18:27:53

The charts are here. In case you feel like checking them all!

Feenie Mon 04-Feb-13 19:25:12

I know that Debbie Hepplewhite says her charts don't contain very rare correspondences. I guess you could argue whether the wh for /h/ is rare - she also advocates adding to the chart with children if they find unusual ones, which is exactly what you've done with dd and your homemade one. smile

Greythorne Mon 04-Feb-13 19:32:02

Whooping cough

When is a grapheme considered 'rare'? smile

betterwhenthesunshines Mon 04-Feb-13 19:39:32

whore grin fabulous!


They seem to be all w- h - o words if that helps.

Feenie Mon 04-Feb-13 20:09:04

I think that is debatable, greythorne. There do seem enough there to make it not seem so rare.

Feenie Mon 04-Feb-13 20:11:33

And since it appears in her later charts, there must have been some revision.

Greythorne Mon 04-Feb-13 20:13:33

Yes, I'll maybe leave whore for a later lesson.

<Off to download the later charts>

Feenie Mon 04-Feb-13 20:14:34


mrz Mon 04-Feb-13 20:23:18

Originally who was spelt hwa in Old English and hvo in old Danish

Greythorne Mon 04-Feb-13 21:24:49

Thanks, phonics gurus.

Lostonthemoors Mon 04-Feb-13 21:29:06

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