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KS2/year 6 SATS 2012

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NotaDisneyMum Mon 22-Aug-11 23:31:32

Does anyone know the dates of these, please?

My exH has asked if he can take my DD10 abroad for two weeks next year, and I think it's only a couple of weeks before the much preparation will she expected to do, can anyone advise - thanks

mrz Tue 23-Aug-11 07:32:01

It really depends on the school. Some prepare all year we tend to look at an old paper (for the format) just before the tests. Remember SATs are the end of 7 years of learning and not just a few weeks of cramming

IndigoBell Tue 23-Aug-11 07:43:58

I would be incredibly surprised if school would authorise the leave.

If it's unauthorised and more than 10 days they can kick you out of school.

They can also fine you.

I think your exH needs a very good reason to take her out of school....

Feenie Tue 23-Aug-11 08:28:05

The 2012 key stage 2 national curriculum tests will be held in the week beginning 14 May 2012. New for this year - externally marked level 6 tests will be available to schools in 2012 to administer to eligible pupils on an optional basis, and the dates for those are Monday 21 May and Tuesday 22 May. (That will be news for a couple of posters who think I dream the existence of level 6 grin).

IndigoBell Tue 23-Aug-11 14:14:19

Feenie - good news re the L6 tests. Will there be one for reading, writing and Maths?

mrz Tue 23-Aug-11 14:25:08

There have always been Level 6 tests in reading writing and maths Indigo but next year they are included in the test timetable for the first time and will be externally marked with the other tests.


Ministers have confirmed that the 2012 key stage 2 national curriculum tests will be held in the week beginning 14 May 2012.

Externally marked level 6 tests in English and mathematics will be available to schools in 2012 to administer to eligible pupils on an optional basis. The dates for these tests will be Monday 21 May and Tuesday 22 May.

QCDA will be sending an update to all schools and local authorities to confirm this announcement.

Feenie Tue 23-Aug-11 14:27:21

This is the email I received from the LEA assessment team:

"'Ministers have confirmed that the 2012 key stage 2 national curriculum tests will be held in the week beginning 14 May 2012. Externally marked Level 6 tests in English and mathematics will be available to schools in 2012 to administer to eligible pupils on an optional basis.

The dates for these tests will be Monday 21 May and Tuesday 22 May. We will be sending an update to all schools to confirm this announcement.

The test timetable will be published in the 2012 Assessment and reporting arrangements which will be sent to all schools in November 2011. Schools are asked to hold the dates of Monday 14 May until Wednesday 23 May 2012 to allow for the full test administration period'.

So yes, sounds like a test for all three. Which means if children sit the tests, the levels will have to be reported as a test result, not just a teacher assessment, and should appear in all data sources. Good news indeed!

Feenie - can you post more info about the optional tests or a link about them?

I have a DD who will be Y6 this year and is already getting secure level 5 for maths / english and would like to know more so I can discuss at school with her new class teacher once they have settled in - the school didn't boycott last year, so I am assuming they will do KS2 SATS this year...

In the past (incl my DS), the Y6 class has spent much of the year preparing for the standard KS2 papers sad whilst disillusioning those who struggle with tests and not necessarily pushing those already achieving high levels.

This might mean they could change their focus a bit and introduce some more challenging work to keep DD and others interested, but I'd hate to see it as just more tests added on top and done through lots of test practice...

If I know a bit about it, I might be able to ask that they opt for the tests and extension work appropriate to those who could achieve L6 rather than just more and more test practice

The last thing I want is just more test practice - I would like to see further extension of the work in class or at home for those who can manage it....

I took too long to post!

Thanks for the info...

mrz Tue 23-Aug-11 14:41:31 this is the current info I can't see the tests being very different in structure

Feenie Tue 23-Aug-11 14:45:43

You know as much as I do! It was announced on the 26th July, and that was the extent of the information.

I can point you towards documentation in the assessment procedure documents which refer to teacher assessment at level 6, and support materials already available to assess those children, if that helps. And teacher assessment would assess day to day learning, not just test performance.

No schools boycotted last year, btw - schools had the legal backing of the unions in order to do so the year before.

It disappoints me to hear of schools who don't teach beyond a high level 5, because that was the ceiling of the tests. Teacher assessment at level 6 as always been possible, and has equal weighting (supposedly).

Hopefully, the introduction of optional level 6 tests will go some way to address the problem of schools who don't bother to teach beyond level 5. I assume that they will become statutory again at some point.

Feenie Tue 23-Aug-11 14:49:57

Yes, mrz, I'd assume that they would look like that, but because they are externally marked, then I assume also that the mark would form the child's test result, instead of just supporting the teacher assessment, thereby allowing the reporting of level 6 test data again, not just teacher assessment.

mrz Tue 23-Aug-11 14:57:46

Yes I think the difference will be that they will carry more weight/status in the eyes of some because they are externally marked.

Anotherchance Fri 26-Aug-11 14:51:46

Brilliant news re L6 assessment! Does this mean that current able children who scored a good L3 in KS1 will have the chance to show good progress in the statistics? Presumably they will be able to have L6 as their test result as well as teacher assessment. looking at it through a governors eyes as well as a parent and teachers eyes.

Teachers - how will you be selecting which students take a L6 paper? Or am I just getting ahead of myself?

spudmasher Fri 26-Aug-11 15:01:13

My school is a 3-16 school with Y6 in the same team as Y7 and Y8 which takes away all the false barriers re level 5 and level 6. The colleagues who are more used to working with KS3 pupils will advise us as to the candidates for the L6 tests.
They have advised in the past that Level 6 is a lot to do with maturity and experience and not many 10/11 year olds at our school are secure at Level 6....but there are some!
I'm in no rush to get my own dd there unless she just happens to arrive there of her own accord. I would much rather breadth of experience and a balanced Year 6 curriculum.

mrz Fri 26-Aug-11 15:01:48

They have always had the chance of showing good progress.
Remember levels 5-6 is the expected level at age 14

Levels of achievement

The National Curriculum sets standards of achievement in each subject for pupils aged 5 to 14. For most subjects, these standards range from Levels 1 to 8. Pupils progress up the levels as they get older and learn more:

most 7 year olds are expected to achieve Level 2
most 11 year olds are expected to achieve Level 4
most 14 year olds are expected to achieve Levels 5 or 6

Feenie Fri 26-Aug-11 15:14:39

Selection would be easy - the children who are working at level 6 according to teacher assessment.

spudmasher Fri 26-Aug-11 15:19:13

We need to do some moderation and standardisation this term in our CPD as Y6 children have been assessed at Level 6 by the Y6 teachers and it has been contested by KS3 teachers....we get to see all that because of how our school is..but in a regular Secondary School they would just laugh at the Teacher Assessments from Primary on a regular basis if their anecdotal evidence is anything to go by!
But like I said does happen and these children need to be much better served.

IndigoBell Fri 26-Aug-11 15:56:49

So in KS3 you are expected to make either 1 or 2 levels of progress?

As opposed to KS2 when you are expected to always make 2 levels of progress?

mrz Fri 26-Aug-11 16:10:26

In KS1 (2 levels progress in 2 years)
KS2 (2 levels progress in 4 years)
KS3 (1 or 2 levels progress in 3 years)

CardyMow Sun 28-Aug-11 11:07:22

So if DS1 was a secure Lvl 3 at the end of Y2, Teacher assessment higher than that, would he be able to sit a level 6 paper in 2013 or is it just for this year only?

Feenie Sun 28-Aug-11 11:12:32

Y2 assessment is teacher assessment (they may have reported the test result aswell for your information - some schools are still fixated on them smile) so takes precedence. I would expect the level 6 papers to continue after this year, but don't know for sure.

Are you saying your ds was assessed at level 4? Expected progress in KS2 is 2 levels, so attaining level 6 would be satisfactory progress for your very clever ds.

mrz Sun 28-Aug-11 11:38:53

If your son was assessed as level 3 in KS1 then the expected level in KS2 end of Y6 would be level 5 loudlass (which is above national expectations - it is the level for KS3)

Feenie Sun 28-Aug-11 12:17:41

Loudlass said the teacher assessment was higher than that though, mrz.

mrz Sun 28-Aug-11 12:30:10

Yes I know feenie but I wasn't sure if she meant the TA was level 4 or a 3a and you has covered the level 4 option

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