KS1 (year 2) SATS - what is the pass mark for a level 3 paper?

[Zilla74]

My daughter recently achieved a level 3 (her school didn't rank this into a,b, or c) in her year 2 maths KS1 SATS.

Her teacher told me that she got 22 out of 30 available marks for the test paper. Can anyone tell me what the level 3 pass mark is and would it normally rank an a, b or c within level 3?

Any advice gratefully received as her school are not very forthcoming with information!

Thanks!

[Blu]

I don't think they do give sub grades for level 3 at KS1.
Leve 3 is the highest they can get in KS1 Sats.

When they start in KS2 they do then grade the levels.

[treesinthebreeze]

I think it's about 18 if I can recall. They just get a level 3 from the test - not a, b, c.

[Zilla74]

I only ask because I want to know how good 22 out of 30 marks is on a level 3 KS1 SATS paper.

Her teacher in yr 1 told me on numerous occasions that dd was "average" at maths. Obviously the level 3 shows she is above average especially as her birthday is in the summer hols so is still only 6yrs old.

I don't want to ask school how good her marks is in comparison to the other kids as they weren't happy about telling me her score on the paper!

[wannabefree]

What is this 'boasting by stealth' phrase I keep hearing about on MN? I'm a newbie, so just interested, ta!

[mrz]

It depends which paper your daughter got 22 marks on (reading, writing, maths? and also which years tests the school used 2007 or 2009?) and more importantly teacher assessment over the year.

[letthembe]

It isn't just about the mark either but also the content on the paper. There are certain aspects of Level 3a that would need to be covered to award a 3a. This is also true of reading papers. For example, the Y5 optional SAT, total marks 50, 35ish for a level 5. But I wouldn't award a 5b, just a 5c, as the paper doesn't cover the same higher-order comprehension skills as a Y6 paper. Therefore, I sometimes use a Y6 paper for the most able in Y5.

[RustyBear]

Might depend whether the teacher means average nationally or average for her year group.

I work in a junior school and we often get parents of new Year 3s who are upset that their DC has been put in the lower Maths set, when they got a 2a at KS1 - but there are nearly always more level 3 and 2a than will fit into one set - on a couple of occasions, there have been more than half with level 3 - they come up from the outstanding infant school with very high levels.

[Zilla74]

MRZ

It was the maths paper. I could understand the average comments for reading/writing, but not maths.

I'm told by her teacher that it was the level 3 sats paper, thereforeteachable. teacher assessed mark, I assume.

Thanks for all of your help so far! I do think the Junior school is excellent, so I hope she will get on well in year 3.

[Zilla74]

Sorry last post was rubbish! Predictive text has a lot to answer for!

Should read "therefore not teacher assessed mark I assume"

[mrz]

No level 3 is also teacher assessed. I have children who achieved level 3 in the test but I have assessed as a 2A and this is the level that is recorded.

[lovecheese]

mrz - where would you expect these "Borderline" children to sit in terms of ability groups - because I know you do not do that in your class - going in to year 3? What about the child who has been working with the top group in year 2 for most of the year, comfortably and happily, but didn't do quite so well on the level 3 paper?

[Zilla74]

MRZ

We were only given one mark, in this case a level 3 for maths and have not been told whether it was a teacher assessed score or a test score, I just assumed it was the test score.

Should I ask for the teacher assessed score? They must have one.

[mrz]

The level reported to parents is teacher assessmentnot the test mark

The ARA which is the legal requirements places upon schools states ...

At the end of key stage 1, schools must report a child?s teacher assessment levels to the child?s parents or persons with parental responsibility. There is no requirement to report task or test results or to allow parents or persons with parental responsibility to see, or have copies of, their child?s marked scripts.

[mrz]

A child who has consistantly worked well all year yet didn't demonstrate this in the test would IMO still be in the top group whereas a child that performs well for a single test would need to be placed in a group based on their over performance. My borderline children are working well within level 3 for certain aspects but not others. The way we work they would be given work at an appropriate level for different aspects so would be in different groups for different tasks.

[Zilla74]

MRZ

Thank you for your advice so far, it's appreciated!

If dd's school does not report sub levels for level 3, would they still report this internally to dd's year3 teacher?

[mrz]

Is it the same school or separate infant junior schools?
Teacher's assessment would normally be recorded internall with sub levels but not officially reported for level 1 or level 3.

[Zilla74]

Separate, but on the same site, with close links between the schools.

Do schools generally age adjust the levels, do you know?

Thanks once again!

[mrz]

I would expect them to share details if they are closely linked. It is unusual for schools to age adjust levels IME.

[Zilla74]

Thanks again for your help, it's useful to know how things work!