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KS2 sats - quick question

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inkyfingers Tue 05-Jul-11 18:34:35

Got DS's results today. Told he got level 5s. His teacher was pleased, she had assessed him earlier this year 5b for maths (can't remember the others). So far so good. But today she read off a printout of the test results and said it was a solid 5, but said that the results sheet did not give a break-down of a,b,c. TBH I'm not over-bothered about results as such, but this is the first year I've had a KS2 result without the grade boundaries. Is this the case, or is she wanting to avoid parents or pupils getting competitive/fussy about it? The school can then tell all the year 6s and parents that everyone got a level 4 or 5 - well done grin and avoid the detail. Hope I'm a cynical old MNetter hmm

7Seas Tue 05-Jul-11 18:40:40

i think it is just a level. As in 4 or 5. I cannot remember though, may dig around and see what my dc result said.

hockeyforjockeys Tue 05-Jul-11 18:42:20

Year 6 Sats are only assessed as whole levels, i.e. no abc as the results go to the local authority and DfE. Sub-levels have no official standing, they were simply created after NC levels to break down the large range each level covers, and to also show progress year on year. So no the school isn't holding back anything!

7Seas Tue 05-Jul-11 18:44:13

just checked dd and yes whole numbers.

Feenie Tue 05-Jul-11 18:46:25

The teacher assessment, which is reported alongside, has always had grade boundaries. But never the test results.

clam Tue 05-Jul-11 18:47:04

Teacher Assessments may be broken down into sub-levels, but the "official" tests just give a 3, 4 or 5.

inkyfingers Tue 05-Jul-11 18:47:48

Thank you! I am getting v.cynical - just as well he's my last child there!!

clam Tue 05-Jul-11 18:48:04

<<goes off to polish ego>>

Feenie Tue 05-Jul-11 18:48:24

<hand up>

Please Miss, Clam is copying me!

Feenie Tue 05-Jul-11 18:48:59


Don't, like, wreck my image, clam!

Bunbaker Tue 05-Jul-11 22:50:36

I'm glad you cleared this one up. I wondered where the ab and c had got to as well. DD did well in her SATS, but I was amazed to learn that she did exceptionally well in maths, which was always her weakest subject.

emptyshell Wed 06-Jul-11 08:11:11

Any a/b/cs from the KS2 SATs have been added on by the school themselves - usually just to see where they're at in terms of sub-levels progress - the tests themselves only return the "full" levels.

Quite often someone will look at the thresholds and split it into upper/middle/lower themselves for a/b/cs but it's not done as part of the tests process itself.

(Now I do find myself wishing the TES forum would get that concept since there've been at least 5 threads on "what are the sublevels" in the last 24 hours - gah!)

jellybrain Wed 06-Jul-11 13:01:36

I don't expect to see Ds2's results until Friday as Y6 are on their residential this week. I expect they'll be ok though.

OhYouBadBadKitten Wed 06-Jul-11 14:22:48

Goodness knows when we will get ours. I think they wait until reports are out. dd is hopping up and down with a mixture of excitement and a bit of fear and I'm never very good at waiting for anything.

ElbowFan Wed 06-Jul-11 19:04:52

It is worth bearing in mind that the thresholds were published only yesterday so although the schools would have had a good idea of what level everyone was at from the marks, they could not be certain of the level achieved. There will be some children who missed a level by only a mark or two.
There also seems to be a lot of debate about the harshness of the marking of the Writing paper, and I gather that schools have applied for some remarking of scripts.

diabolo Wed 06-Jul-11 19:37:10

The schools will work out the a,b'c's from the mark thresholds internally and grade 5c, 5b, 5a etc, you may or may not be made aware of this via school reports - bascially what emptyshell says above.

diabolo Wed 06-Jul-11 19:37:23

basically - sorry

NorfolkNChance Wed 06-Jul-11 21:19:10

As diabolo says teachers will work out rough sub level boundaries for themselves but these will vary from school to school so have no official standing.

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