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Parents becoming teachers? Is it me or has Gove totally lost it?

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sogrownup Sun 26-Jun-11 20:15:10

How do you feel about going into school to cover for a teacher who is on strike? Is there anyone out there who believes that this is a sound idea.... I think it's madness!!

ICantFindAFreeNickName Sun 26-Jun-11 20:18:01

What happened to schools not being allowed to let anyone over the school threasehold without a CRB!!! Oh I guess governments can just change the rules to suit themselves.

DamselInDisarray Sun 26-Jun-11 20:20:42

It's a great idea. Let the patents find out what it's like to be in charge of 30 kids all day and have to ensure that they all learn enough.

mrz Sun 26-Jun-11 20:21:25

Or they can automatically label them failing schools due to "safeguarding" and turn us all into academies hmm

DamselInDisarray Sun 26-Jun-11 20:21:50

Obviously, it's a terrible idea. But the kinds of parents who'd go for it could do with a nice cold dose of the reality of teaching. Hopefully, with the bottom set in an inner-city comp.

Hulababy Sun 26-Jun-11 20:22:51

Supervision of unqualified staff in classroom?
Expertise and qualifications?
Experience of supervising, if not actually teaching, 30 children at once?
CRB checks?
Health and safety, and safeguarding children issues?

Do these things not matter any more?

PotteringAlong Sun 26-Jun-11 20:22:53

Nothing that man says surprises me anymore sad

LaurieFairyCake Sun 26-Jun-11 20:25:59

This is a very effective tactic. He is deliberately reinforcing the prejudice that teachers are babysitters.

It's just playing to the gallery.

According to the times 70% of parents think education is worse than ten years ago.

Most people have very little idea of what goes on in schools.

madrose Sun 26-Jun-11 20:26:30

Gove is just looking towards his next position, the education post has always been used as a stepping stone to better things. Which is why every time there is a new education sec. There are sweeping changes, the odd one is good, but the majority caused damage and once the Ed sec has moved on they fall by the wayside. Gove is a joke.

admission Sun 26-Jun-11 20:31:09

In the press release by Gove it did refer to it being parents with CRB checks but that simply shows the lack of knowledge by Gove and his officials who should know that a CRB check is not transferable at present.
In the same press release there was a very telling comment about joining classes together, the fact that ICS regs still were in force but that HLTA and TAs could be appropriate as school teachers to meet the regs. Er no sorry Mr Gove not according to all the info that has previously come out about ICS Regs.

GetOrf Sun 26-Jun-11 20:37:53

He is a stupid pouting twat.

Runoutofideas Sun 26-Jun-11 20:39:11

Does he mean parents who regularly help out in school and are CRB checked by the school? In which case, that makes a little bit more sense. I, however, do have a CRB check through my dd's school but there is no way I'll be rushing in to cover for striking teachers. To be fair to our HT, she hasn't asked for volunteers (yet.......)!

mrz Sun 26-Jun-11 20:39:27

To: local authority Directors of Children's Services, Chief Executives and Lead Members CC: ADCS, SOLACE, LGA

Industrial action in schools - letter to local authorities from the Secretary of State for Education

Dear colleague, You will be aware that the ATL and NUT unions have both voted for industrial action following national ballots. It is therefore likely that action will take place on 30 June. The source of the current dispute is the Government's proposals for the reform of public service pension schemes, including the Teachers' Pension Scheme. The dispute is, therefore, with the Government and not with schools or employers. I am aware that there are very strong feelings in the teaching profession about teachers' pensions and I am personally committed to working openly, honestly and constructively to ensure that teachers continue to receive the high quality pensions that they deserve and value. The Government's proposals on pensions are the subject of continuing discussion with national trade unions, including teaching unions. Against this background, the Government's view is that industrial action, with the attendant risk of disruption to pupils' education and family life, is not justified. In the current situation both the public and parents will expect all of us to put the interests of pupils and families first. We all have a strong moral duty to pupils and parents to keep schools open and the Government wants to help you to fulfil that. I am particularly concerned that school closures would cause great inconvenience to working families and single parents who will have to make ad hoc childcare arrangements and whose own working lives will be disrupted. I am confident that you will take effective steps to support schools in staying open and to minimise the impact on pupils and parents. There are a number of ways in which you should, with our help, support schools to stay open.

You should do everything possible:

• To be flexible: Changes can be made to the structure of the school day; opening/closing times can be altered and half day sessions can be run with different groups of pupils;

• To be pragmatic:

a) There is no statutory requirement to teach the National Curriculum every day of the school year;

b) There are no maximum general pupil-teacher ratios set out in law; with the exception of the infant class size limit; and

c) Senior management and support staff may fall within the definition of a "school teacher" for the infant/teacher ratios.

• To maximise their resources:

a) Schools should seek information in advance about how many of their staff will be taking industrial action, so that deployment decisions are well informed; and

2 b) Schools should deploy all available staff and consider the full range of local resources available to them, both from within the school staff and the wider school community to ensure that wherever possible they remain open. I therefore seek your co-operation in considering the following issues:

• Sharing with us your best practice and in particular examples of where schools are working innovatively and successfully to stay open; • What resources can be provided to schools to help them stay open; and

• In the event of school closures, what alternative childcare arrangements can be put in place to support parents and how these can be communicated as early as possible to parents. You will no doubt already have a great deal of information about which schools will be open on the day and will encourage schools to communicate clearly with parents in the event that closure or partial closure becomes necessary.

I hope that heads will have made the decision whether to stay open at least 48 hours in advance of the industrial action, in order to give parents due notice.

To enable us to support you with this, I am keen to understand both the local and national picture; officials will therefore be asking you to tell us the position in your schools. Our initial request is for an early high level indication of the scale of likely closures, by 3pm this Friday. We will be requesting that you share with us next week - on Tuesday and then again on Thursday - your own assessments of planned and then actual closures. Please let me reassure you that we will make every effort to ensure that this voluntary data collection exercise uses information already available to you. Officials will email your leads for workforce data collection to provide further guidance. We will also be writing separately to academies with a similar request. Thank you very much for your continued co-operation and support at this time.


crazynanna Sun 26-Jun-11 20:39:58

I hate the no-chin fucking plank...Prick

ReadingMan Sun 26-Jun-11 20:40:08

Maybe he just wants to keep our schools open just because teachers have decided that they should have perks that the rest of society in the private sector does not have.

I would be attempted to close the teachers pension scheme and make it a money purchase scheme like everyone else. They might huff and puff but they are 'so poorly paid' that they wouldn't be able to strike for too long!

mrz Sun 26-Jun-11 20:40:39

The letter sent to LEAs doesn't mention CRBs at all

Northernlurker Sun 26-Jun-11 20:43:42

Even if I wasn't at work anyway I wouldn't do this. I respect my dc's tecahers. I support their right to decent terms and conditions and I would not undermine the strike by getting together with other parents to keep the school open. No teachers, no school.
I am sending dd2 to the holiday club that is running but it's staffed by people working under entirely different t&cs and does not have an educational ethos so I feel that's ok.

MsInterpret Sun 26-Jun-11 20:56:00

<snort!> at 'no-chin fucking plank' crazy nanna

mrz Sun 26-Jun-11 20:56:53

MsInterpret Sun 26-Jun-11 20:57:17

FGS ReadingMan

mrz - feel like copying and pasting some more from your other wonderful posts on other threads?

MsInterpret Sun 26-Jun-11 20:59:26

x-post mrz

sogrownup Sun 26-Jun-11 21:00:23

I agree totally with Northern. The government are too eager to turn the nation against public sector workers in general and we should support teachers as they strike!!
I also agree that 'good' teachers would perhaps be appreciated more if parents were to cover for a day!! Mad idea though for all the reasons outlined!!

WriterofDreams Sun 26-Jun-11 21:04:50

Hahaha brilliant. It should totally go ahead. Then on Friday the streets will be full of parents demonstrating for the teachers as they will finally realise what a hard job it is. Pay for teachers here is pathetic in comparison to what it is in Ireland and it's a much much harder job here due to endless paperwork and ridiculous bureaucracy. I'm glad the teachers are striking and they have every right to in my view.

newportstateofmind Sun 26-Jun-11 21:05:07

Am in awe of all those more articulate than me.......

am so angry right now that all I can manage is.....


PotteringAlong Sun 26-Jun-11 21:06:54

I assume ReadingMan that you send your children to private school then? What's your suggestion? That we stop being poorly paid? I could earn a lot more in the private sector but choose not to because i believe in the value of education for all.

Huff and puff?! We're not 3! But the private sector couldn't make these sweeping changed to someone's pay and conditions (and it is part of that for lots of us - we hardly earn enough to create a property portfolio or save shed loads) and expect everyone to agree without whimper.

Inflation is running at 5% and our pay has been frozen for 2 years - that's a massive de facto paycut. We are taking the same cuts as the private sector already.

I could go on, but am just ranting now smile

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