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Booted out of the John Radcliffe at 16 weeks - anyone else?

(17 Posts)
blossombottom Fri 18-Nov-16 16:53:01

I'm looking for some advice or support - I've just learned that due to the Horton Hospital partial closure I can't give birth there and my 20 week scan has been cancelled (found this out only when my midwife called to query it)

Is anyone else in a similar position? Apparently I will struggle to get a scan booked at stoke mandeville now at such short notice given the pressure they are under. I am also supposed to be seeing a consultant but my referral has been sent back.


ImNotAFlower Fri 18-Nov-16 16:59:22

It should all be taken over by the JR. Have you called them? Your GP should know the procedure as well or your midwife.

blossombottom Fri 18-Nov-16 17:28:21

Sorry just realised my post wasn't clear! I was booked in with the JR and now they've told me I have to go elsewhere (because of added pressure from Horton patients coming to them). Midwife has been querying this with the JR as I have had all scans booked in with the JR already but been stonewalled so far.

Most concerningly I am supposed to be seeing a consultant around now.

I need to look into this and of course I need to assess the risk of choosing to birth at an overstretched maternity unit if I do get the choice... but I'm sure that I am entitled to that choice.

Any advice much appreciated!

ImNotAFlower Sat 19-Nov-16 09:33:35

So the consultant was at the JR? If so ring the JR Switchboard on Monday after 9 and ask to speak to the consultants secretary. You may find she can help.
The long and short of it is decide what you want and then don't go away until you are all booked in grin.
There is no other delivery suite in the OUH trust so they can't just boot you out.
As for them being overstretched, all units are but it simply depends on the day. I somehow managed to deliver my first in Brighton and had two midwives and a DR in the room because no one else was delivering that night!!
Keep pushing your midwife and GP and I would contact the secretary if you have the consultants name.
Fingers crossed for you!

Northernlurker Sat 19-Nov-16 09:35:43

You may find the pals team can help as well

I've found PALS at JR very helpful in getting things sorted quickly (I'm under their special care silver star unit due to other complications). I'd suggest putting it all down in an email (concerns, timeline etc) and following it up with a phone call.

Fizzyjo Sat 19-Nov-16 15:52:45

Do you live in the Oxfordshire area (as you mention stoke Mandeville which is in bucks). I've been on my parent craft course today and they mentioned that the JR are refusing to take anyone not in the Oxfordshire area as they are having to deal with the 'locals' who can't now go to Horton. Might be as simple as that - and I guess understandable if they need to deal with those who live in the region. But if you are in Oxfordshire then there is no where else so I guess you need to push!

Puggleface Sat 19-Nov-16 16:11:37

Hi OP, from what I understand the JR are no longer accepting women who live outside of the OX postcode due to the closure of the Horton consultant lead unit. Absolutely outrageous in my opinion! Although they are understandably over stretched the JR has very good specialist care silver star unit and fantastic neonatal care unit. If you or your baby are in need of these services then you should be seen there! Your Midwife should really be sorting all of this out for you, call her and explain how much stress this is causing you! And if you can really no longer be seen at the JR then your midwife needs to get you into Stoke Mandiville as an urgent case!
Let us know how you get on.

blossombottom Sat 19-Nov-16 17:20:34

Thanks all - really appreciate all the advice.

Puggle my MW is on the case and doing her best but not having any joy at the moment. I'm not living in OX (though I own a house in OX...) and live halfway between JR and SM, fizzy and totally understand that they're under pressure now from Horton patients, but so is SM from all the reject JR patients in Bucks!

Stoke Mandeville sounds great and I'm not a Silver Star case so I can't argue that point with Oxford, but I feel that as I'm in their system already and have been for weeks and weeks, they shouldn't be palming me off. I worry though that all the time my MW and I debate this with the JR, the clock is ticking and my window for getting an anomaly scan booked anywhere is closing.

I had my DC at the JR, and I had a MMC in June (discovered at my JR dating scan) and an ERPC (actually 2 because the first one didn't do the job) all managed at the JR. I feel emotionally that I want to finish my 'journey' with them and to keep that continuity, as well as sticking with the hospital that has my notes!!

I received my Nuchal scan appointment letter for this pregnancy early in September, I am still receiving letters from ultrasound about my impending anomaly scan despite the fact that my MW had been told by another department that this is / will be cancelled. It's all very unsettling - and I only know that my scan is cancelled because she enquired. Who knows when or if I will get a letter about this.

I am very keen to see a consultant (as my midwife is) for a cervical assessment ASAP as I had the aforementioned gynae surgery twice. This is something I simply cannot wait around for as I am now 16 weeks pregnant so have already made private arrangements but really I feel it's terribly negligent and actually quite dangerous for the hospital I booked in with to not be taking responsibility for a patient with relevant 'history.'

Thanks for the tip re PALS. Will keep up my sleeve!

HiDBandSIL Sat 19-Nov-16 19:08:57

Thanks for posting this OP. I am hoping to conceive soon and have my third child at the JR (last two born there, both CS). I don't have an OX postcode. I hadn't heard about this. I know there'll be nothing I can do but at least I know now! I wonder if this is just a temporary thing. Good luck in resisting your move OP!

mareish Sat 19-Nov-16 21:56:04

Are you on Facebook? There is a group who may be able to help, I'm not very good at links etc but will try. Horton Catchment Mums.


blossombottom Sun 20-Nov-16 00:53:44

Hi HiD you may be ok as the Horton closure is only supposed to be temporary until March and they're still open for midwife only labours - though who knows what will happen. I'm due in May so they're obviously not hopeful that it'll reopen in March!

Mare I'm not Horton catchment but I may see if Facebook has a group for JR rejects!

HiDBandSIL Sun 20-Nov-16 08:55:28

Thanks bottom I'll keep my legs together for a while grin

mareish Sun 20-Nov-16 12:54:26

Perhaps you could join anyway Blossom as it may help you to know how others are getting answers? Also it will give the Save Our Horton, another FB group, an idea on how many JR women are affected by the changes in the services as there is a growing concern that it is not temporary. There is some great support & information within these groups. Good luck flowers

blossombottom Sun 20-Nov-16 19:22:12

Thank you mareish that's a great idea. I'll report back...

LondonRoo Mon 21-Nov-16 14:49:41

I recommend PALS and wouldn't just keep them up your sleeves - go right ahead and use them now!

I work for the NHS and unfortunately sometimes when these sorts of challenges are going on the hands of staff are completely tied and they are probably as uncertain as you are about what is going on - which is actually a pretty horrible position for the staff member who wants to do a good job!

There's nothing quite as effective as getting the complaints department involved to get things moving. Don't worry about being seen as difficult - as I said the staff are likely as frustrated as you are about the situation and will be fully supportive of your involving PALS.

You're pregnant and can do without the stress of chasing up hospitals! Let PALS do the work for you.


blossombottom Tue 22-Nov-16 18:17:43

Thank you Roo I will do just that then - so appreciate the advice, everyone!

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