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Very scared / paranoid(42 Posts)
I too suffer from anxiety. If it helps, my psychotherapist used to say, 'The thing that you fear has already happened.' I have always found that very useful. Good luck and all the best xx
Hi fix, I know the paranoia well. For me it kicks in around 30 weeks and becomes all encompassing. It's the only thing I can think about, convinced something is going wrong.
Please come and join us over on this thread pregnancy after miscarriage it has helped me so much and the ladies all know what it's like xx
Ha yes I have been known to blast out the tunes and let rip! Midge ure was always someone my mum liked but I reckon these days a little Vienna is good for the soul!
Finished our NCT classes this week. In the first class she asked us to write down our fears. I only had one...getting her here safely. I'm not sure the others knew where to look or what to think as top of their lists were lack of sleep and a torn fanny! Because they've never suffered a loss it just doesn't enter their heads. Pregnancy = baby and that's that. I guess that helped me put my fears into perspective (for a whole day!)
I would never wish a MC on my worst enemy but I learnt so much about myself. How strong I am, how strong my relationship is, who my real friends are and this rainbow baby will be extra special as overcome some real tough times to get her here. How's that for positivity?!
as spring said hundreds of people have babies every day no probs. Well I'm bloody sure I'm gonna make up the numbers and you will too x
It isn't difficult to use a Doppler at all.
I have a similar history to you, OP, and used a Doppler for reassurance throuout pregnancy.
It is very easy to tell the difference between baby's hb and your own - a quick look at some online resources will show you how.
As for losing a baby because of the Doppler - as with all things, common sense should apply and if movements are reduced you should get it checked out.
Spring I had heard that of Lily Allen (she had a stitch and bed rest for her 2 DCs suggesting something physical... Positive I read it in a trashy mag
I was supposed to be tidying up in the media room at work but read ). So glad she did overcome whatever caused her the loss.
I can relate to this thread totally. It's really a horrible thing to discuss because when you suffer from severe anxiety or other mental health problems the fear really does feel real and overwhelming, often to the point of appearing very strange to others. On a side note I'd like to correct the opening post by mentioning that Lilly Allen didn't actually suffer a fever which then caused her miscarriage - her people put out that story initially to cover up the real reason (the loss) for her being admitted to hospital.
In my case what made my anxiety worse was that my baby did turn out to have an abnormality, which just confirmed my thoughts that I was doomed. Luckily it isn't life-threatening but I'm now completely on edge. I've had maybe 6 private scans in total which have rather than eased my worries made them worse!
In this state of mind You see what you want to see, and at the moment I zone in on anything that mentions stillbirth. All of a sudden I'm able to pluck out what seems like dozens of people from my childhood to adulthood memories who have suffered a loss to back up my own negative thoughts that it will happen to me. One thing I never do is to consider the hundreds of people around me who have given birth to wonderful babies with no problems.
I'm now about 4 weeks away from the big day and my anxiety is probably worse than ever. To manage it I mostly stay away from the pregnancy sections of any forum and far away from Dr. Google. It only makes things worse for me, as there are so many horror stories and very it's difficult to tell yourself that these things are mostly rare and all concentrated into one place.
Red what is it with hypnobirthing? Everyone seems obsessed its s cure-all, it isn't even designed for post traumatic anxiety, just normal birth.
I just think that people don't know about alternatives and hypnobirthing is well publicised so thats the one people go for or suggest.
I've seen a lot of people saying "you could have an ELCS" as a way to cope with anxiety too - a lot in part due to the NICE guidelines - and I don't think thats appropriate for a lot of women either. Going down the medicalised route just isn't the solution for them as thats part of their fear.
People think that all fear is the same too, and don't always realise that there can be more than one cause of it.
Just a point though. I think I'm cautious of 'positive thinking' type strategies in general because I think they can be disingenuous in their failure to recognise that not everything in life is positive and sometimes its good to be prepared for the possibility of bad things. But thats just how I view them. If they have positive outcomes for others which then they are of benefit and they are valid suggestions. I think the danger of being completely dismissive of certain strategies, is that this might put other people off them, and it might be the right approach for them.
I think its important to stress what a personal choice it is, and that there isn't a one size fits all solution. I have my doubts about whether this is really being conveyed to women though, with certain ideas definitely being favoured over others. (Hence women feeling to a certain degree like they are being processed rather than individual needs being considered).
I also think the way that ideas/theories are presented are as important as the contents too. I know I'm less likely to respond to being 'told' something than reading about it and being able to process something on my own terms. But others will get on better with having someone to discuss things with.
People have preferred ways of learning which is well recognised in education so it definitely stands to reason we should be working on and developing different ways for dealing with anxiety too.
I think issues of failure and womanhood are connected to all of this, but also part of a much wider cultural issue of comparing and valuing ourselves to other women (like the idea that we should all be excited about pregnancy not anxious about it).
I posted a thread the other week along these lines. Although I haven't been on quite the journey you have I have experienced losses which has robbed my current pregnancy of any ignorant bliss!
I'm now 36 weeks and worry myself stupid most days. The reality for me is I will not believe she will make it until I hold her alive and kicking in my arms. She's not a massive mover either and by 5pm I'm usually frantic. But it's an inner frantic that I am learning to cope with on a daily basis.
Take each day at a time Fox and try thinking just a little more positive as each day you are nearer to meeting little one. It's def your turn xx
oh cup congratulations. You do know me btw - namechanged - I sent you an order of service. Oh, I've a lump in my throat now.
But, OP, I know it's incredibly hard. We went through hell and my obstetrician said something like "I think we will all heave a sigh of relief when this pregnancy gets to 28 weeks". Not going into all the details or the back story but it got to 41.5. That little miracle is on the sofa now, nearly 16 and wrapped in blondeness and purple furry headphones.
Something that really helped was that I was offered psychiatric support if I felt I needed it; just pick up the phone and they said it could be switched on.
Red what is it with hypnobirthing? Everyone seems obsessed its s cure-all, it isn't even designed for post traumatic anxiety, just normal birth.
Plus it is designed to promote
brainwash natural birth as the goal, and other options as second best. Not ideal. I'd love to see a study into whether it contributed to birth disappointment or PND in some cases (in the case of one friend, I think it did. She hypnoed herself into denial and viewed her interventions as failing womanhood).
Already knowing I've failed several times and having made the conscious decision never to feel guilty or taboo, I just cannot reconcile myself with some elements of it AT ALL.
You're very welcome xxx. I think the good days do get more frequent as time goes on, but it's still really tough. Something I really struggled with was in the first trimester and early second trimester, although statistically the risks are higher, there's little you can do, so I could try to focus on thinking positively and trying not to worry too much, whereas as you start getting through the second tri and into the third tri, suddenly the responsibility is yours to keep an eye on baby, keep track of movements, notice anything unusual etc.
It's a massive amount of pressure, but I sort of got accustomed to it after a while, and now it doesn't seem quite so bad. I hope that makes sense, I feel a bit fuzzy headed tonight! As an aside, the best thing I found to get baby moving is the pink lemonade flavour fizzy lucozade, that flavour in particular seems to work better than anything! Also, eating some carbs later at night, around 9 - 10pm seems to make a big difference to our little man's energy levels the next day, so I try to do that when I can.
About the obnoxious midwife (there are some real pieces of work out there aren't there? ) try if you can to discover your inner pregnancy rage and funnel it. With a lot of these people it's all about giving the impression that you're not going to take their nonsense, even if you don't feel that way inside. It can be really hard, but I've found that they usually only need one sharp retort to back right down.
Saying something along the lines of "I'm not happy with your tone, please change it immediately" in a voice which is polite but brooks no argument usually works well, if she tries to retort, say very firmly "your attutide is hideously unprofessional and I simply don't trust you with my care, I want to speak to the supervisor of midwives right now." They have to have a supervisor of midwives available 24 hours a day (as far as I am aware). Complain to the SoM, you shouldn't have to put up with being treated this way, people like that are really not helpful when you're feeling stressed already, it makes my blood boil! Hang in there, you're well over halfway there xxx.
Cupoftea I am so sorry to hear about the terrible time you've had, hope you're holding up as well as can be expected xxx.
... Just on an aside. Don't always write off things you read as being for "the masses" and you being the only one to probe further or seek something different. Most of us in the RMC "club" have also done this extensively.
We're not into twee low-level counselling (the perinatal is a psychiatrist, have you seen one before and if not - you didn't say you had - how do you know they're crap but think they're "super duper"?) And we are all individuals.
You sound bloody terrified, but very defensive with it.
My issue doesn't lie so much with the nature as it does with medical profession.
This is my world. My long list of fears is very much headed by this and I'm very bothered about being spoken down to. I don't like the idea of being 'out of control' and them holding the power. I find it frustrating especially if I can not intellectualise my anxieties. (Also on my list was my inability to get excited about being pregnant and having difficulty coping with other people's over excited reaction to my pregnancy as I don't share those feelings).
Honestly I think there is a lack of proper understanding about fear and how it affects people differently which doesn't help either. People wrongly make assumptions about what 'the fear' is about and don't comprehend it can be worse for some women than others.
From what I've read, its often women who are used to being in control in their life and are intelligent are often the ones who struggle most with the uncertainty of having a child because it conflicts so much with their normal coping strategy - of being in control.
What you described as wanting was exactly what I got from the perenatal team, BTW. Its very mindfulness based, about realistic chances, knowing and coping.
You know you can change midwife if you want to, also? You don't have to go private for that! In fact, almost all the private consultants who are very highly rated also do NHS work: if you don't like your care, ask to change.
And don't worry about food etc too much. Just as you find the NHS blase, I found some private/alternative clinics gave an exhaustive list of "forbiddens" with no scientific backing to cynically hook frightened women in and keep them paying. I managed to get onto a world famous team on the NHS (by asking repeatedly) and read extensively; I found there are few things we can control bar the right medication and regular checks.
Basically my brain should be challenged; you can take the same thing and present it to me in four different ways. The one that has the most logic, intellectual and fresh approach will probably work.
In my case you can line up a hundred "super duper" pregnancy psychiatrists repeating the same thing, I'll just dismiss it as boring, same old stuff. Not because I'm mad, but because I already know about it.
Haha, sounds very familiar...
Seriously consider having a look at that book.
It works on the principle that we have two parts of the brain that control our actions. We have a part that does the logical thinking and a part that does the emotional thinking. And they don't always work together.
Its puts it in a way that explains why you might "know" something from the evidence, but still act in a way that is completely contradictory to that logic. The logical part understand the likelihood of something, but your emotional part still goes "but what if...". It is a bit of a 'lightbulb' moment in understanding why you can't reconcile why you can be so irrational yet understand x, y and z.
It is an easy read, but actually I think thats part of its appeal but it doesn't insult your intelligence at the same.
I am also 24 weeks and completely stressed out.
My experience is different- my last dd was born with huge disabilities. I knew in pregnancy something wasn't 'quite right' but couldn't get anyone to listen to me until 35 weeks. She was born at 36 weeks and handed to me to hold until she passed away. Thankfully, she had other plans, and stayed for 13 months before leaving me.
With this pregnancy, I'm so scared something will be missed again. Not that I would do anything differently, but I would like to know about any problems before the birth this time. But my anxieties have moved on from my dd's problems to other equally awful scenarios, many of which you mentioned in your OP. I've no idea how to get through the next 14 weeks without anxiety. It's difficult being pregnant without the innocence and joy that I see in other people, but equally I don't want to wish this time away.
Hoping you get some useful advice OP and wishing you a healthy and uneventful pregnancy.
I agree about joining the pregnancy after miscarriage thread, all the ladies are lovely and there's plenty of hand holding and support, which can be a huge help.
Personally I too found that the worst of the fear and paranoia hit me at about 24 weeks, I was expecting it to get less then, but it got particularly bad between 24 and 28 weeks, which wasn't helped by a lot of other complications and a lot of periods of reduced movement during that time, thankfully all seems to have settled down now though, touch wood!
Don't ever feel embarassed to go to the hospital, I was in four times in one week for reduced movements not that long ago, and the hospital said they'd rather see someone in every single day than have them sat at home worrying about whether something might be wrong.
At about 26 weeks I felt like my mental health was at it's lowest ebb, I felt worse than I had in a very long time, but as I got to 30 weeks it started to get better, things settled down and baby was getting bigger and stronger, and could be provoked into tantrums more easily to get him moving when he was being stubborn . I'm now 31+4 and not wanting to talk anything up, but I'm feeling happier and more relaxed than I have been for ages. Something which helped massively for me was getting my ELCS agreed and a date in the diary for it.
Take it one step at a time, one day at a time, you've had some great advice on this thread, but remember to be gentle with yourself xxx.
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