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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE Wed 09-Jan-13 18:32:37

We need a new thread.

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.

There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.

I used to include extracts from MOH's wonderful website
but I think that makes this link less visible so am merely putting the link. The information on this site is invaluable.

I would like to thank MOH MOP Ovaltine Caramellokoalalover (I think she's changed her nickname) Fluffy, Horsey Kali and Everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on previous threads.

Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.

LucindaE Fri 15-Mar-13 18:10:02

Jess Welcome, sorry you're suffering, I think only the unlucky minority suffer badly throughout, with most people it gets a lot better sometime between fourteen and twenty weeks, but to be frank a lot of people still suffer from residual heartburn, some sickness, etc. You are at the worst stage,as I am sure you know from before. If the meds don't work shortly, do make sure you get some kesosticks as it sounds bad enough for you to be dehydrated at this rate. Just because you suffered throughout last time doesn't mean you will this time - some women get off much more lightly with a different preganncy.
I think there is a grey area between really bad MS and Hyperemesis - specialists used to use various criteria, including weight loss, but I suspect that a large number of women have undiagnoised Hyeremesis and probably should have been in hospital for rehydration at some points and weren't.
I think everyone has dark thoughts, especially when they are frightened as it begins again and they hoped it wouldn't - I regret not going for it a second time. There's lots of support from the women on here.
Flo Sorry about bad day and puking session. Have a good rest, you deserve a medal for going in to work feeling like this.
Poll This is interesting about the thyroid - it seems odd, as various women on here have said they started off a bit overweight. Can one have both an overactive thyroid and be overweight? Glad your results have come back as normal.
Hayley I hope feeling better. What meds have they put you on?
Waves Any news?
Princess How are you doing for fluids today?
Hope everyone is coping.

Haylebop12 Fri 15-Mar-13 18:29:37

lucinda I'm on cyclizine and metochlopromide but there is talk of adding another into the mix. Cyclizine works great for me but keeps stopping. I find it hard to get back control of it myself. I find it works better intravenously.

I think being unable to tolerate any fluids without vomiting is cause for a HG diagnosis as obviously you become dehydrated. It becomes difficult to break the cycle.

JessHelicopter Fri 15-Mar-13 18:30:52

Thanks Lucinda. What do you mean you regret not going for it a second time? I am sorry I haven't read the thread thoroughly...I didn't realise that the first page (which i DID read) wasn't the whole thing until i posted!

Re the Thyroid thing. My mum was diagnosed with an underactive thyroid just a bit younger than me (i'm 36) and she was slightly overweight. She only had normal MS with her last pregnancy at 31. I am clinically obese (ugh!) and i do think that must play a role in the severity of MS / HG you get. Because surely as you are larger, you have more hormones running around your body? Or is that a ridiculous thing to think?! wink None of the people that i know who were PG had anything other normal MS in the first trimester were overweight. And i am talking 20+ people. And the people who were the healthiest also had the easiest births. I had an 18 hour labour with forceps delivery for my DS. But again this could be crazy speculation on my part?

I did try and lose weight before this pregnancy in the hope it would improve potential MS symptoms. I lost 2 stone last year. But then I put it on again over Xmas!!!! I know, what a pig!!!! So i am wondering if i have brought the symptoms on myself with my weight?

Haylebop12 Fri 15-Mar-13 18:43:53

There may be something in it jess

I was "normal" weight with my pg with dd and has ms for two weeks, that was it. I'm 2 stone heavier this time and just fall into the overweight category. HG has been worse then in my pg last year where I was also overweight and had one admission (mmc).

No news on the thyroid test yet... But looks like night 2 in le hotel hospital paradis.

Pollaidh Fri 15-Mar-13 19:03:32

Well I had a BMI of 18 for my first pregnancy and had awful HG. It relented towards the end and I put on weight when breastfeeding, so started this pregnancy with a BMI of about 23, so definitely not overweight, and now even lighter.

PrincessRichards Fri 15-Mar-13 19:07:55

Hayle I'm starting to think that could be me, it started this morning just as it did before I got admitted which was sick after eating and drinking and sick just acid in between. Sickness has doubled today, am managing sipping fluids but that's about it. Will get some sticks to test tomorrow but might have to ring GP and see if I can try some different drugs.

It's most frustrating as sitting in hospital on the drip and having the drugs in IV I felt on top of the world and like a bit of a fraud as its the best it's ever been and now back to square one confused

Haylebop12 Fri 15-Mar-13 19:19:25

princess your not a fraud. I'm currently on my 6th litre since being admitted yesterday. I feel wonderful! But just as you say it's very easy to go back to square one. This is the fourth time so far! Definitely get testing. If your +3 ketones and can't tolerate fluids you need to get back into hosp.

Pollaidh Fri 15-Mar-13 19:54:07

Jess with my daughter the awful HG massively improved at around 20 weeks. I kept taking cyclizine til the end, but then it was mainly nausea in mornings and the odd vomit if I got hungry. A lot of the food aversions went too.

chocciemousse Fri 15-Mar-13 21:51:20

Hi ladies. I haven't had a chance to look through the posts yet but I hope everyone is doing well. Just wanted to day a big thank you to everyone for their support over the last couple of days. I dismissed the stupid gp and went straight up to the hospital yesterday afternoon where I was admitted. I have just been discharged after copious bags of fluids as a day patient i and feel so much better. As you were all telling me, I really didn't realise how bad I actually was. Sorry if this is one big ramble but just wanted to day thank you grin

chocciemousse Fri 15-Mar-13 21:53:05

So nice to be back home in my own bed tonight.

PrincessRichards Sat 16-Mar-13 08:57:55

Hayle I think I will, I'm not as bad with fluids but can't stomach food as soon as I try to swallow there it is again! It's probably worse thinking I can't eat but am not as bad as last time and feeling they won't have me back in! I'm going to ring midwife shortly see if she has any advice.

Chocco Glad you have finally been taken seriously and got some fluids, fingers crossed things will start turning around for you now grin

Haylebop12 Sat 16-Mar-13 09:19:41

princess they will have you back if you're dehydrated. Might be an idea to get some kesosticks and then at least you know if its worth going. Remember though... My sample at the docs was only +1 and by the time I got into hosp 5 hours later I was 3+. Things can change very quickly!

LucindaE Sat 16-Mar-13 09:30:50

Choccie So glad you're feeling a bit better, I hope you saw my advice about by passing that ridiculous dr, but I'm sure others recommended the same! Whatmeds have they put you on?
Jess I had one run in with Hyperemesis, my daughters a big girl now, but I didn't go for another pregnancy and I regret it. I've been doing these support threads some years now, we've had a big number about a thousand posts each, and I should think they would make a good basis of research for someone medical. It seems to me handy to have a resident mother hen who isn't suffering herself.
Aboot weight, though - I don't think anyone should blame themselves, people seem to have been every sort of size and shape on this, Waves who is the worst case we've had on here started off a size eight, and I hate to think what size she is now, I was slightly built (though fore and aft I have never been slight!). I wasn't a very bad case, it was gone save for residual heartburn that made me vomit sometimes by week fifteen. So was Kalidasa another terrible case. It's frightening if one is slim, as one has nothing to lose and gets weaker very quickly shock.
Princess You are absolutely not a fraud, in hospital is where you should be in that state. Changing meds seems inevitable if you're still sick.
Hayley Glad you are a bit better too.
How are Lotta Holden Reebok Flo Wispa and Everyone?
Worried about wavesandsmiles.

chocciemousse Sat 16-Mar-13 09:44:08

Lucinda they have put me on Cyclizine and Ondansetron.
Does anyone know anything about or had experience with Ondansetron? I believe a side effect can be bad headaches (which I've been having anyhow for the last few weeks) so unsure about their choice.

fl0b0t Sat 16-Mar-13 09:53:30

Got my 12 hours sleep last night, but still feeling awful today. Mostly having a sofa day. Trying to get all excited to do some more rounds of calling people to tell them the news, but mostly I want to sleep. Except I'm bored of sleeping. Need some more paracetamol but it's too horrible out there to leave the house!

LucindaE Sat 16-Mar-13 11:16:19

Flo Hugs. I hope OH read to you, too. I mistyped the F to make 'Glo' which is sadly not yet appropriate, I'm sure. Are you still only on the cyclezine? It isn't exactly letting you 'function normally'.
Choccie What were your ketones when you went to A and E, I hate to think? I think I've heard that about Ondansetron, that's really awkward, do keep an eye on those awful headaches. It's so hard to tell the difference between a mirgraine type headache caused by hormones and a dehydration type one, too, though the latter come on after prolonged vomiting spells, not at the same time. I think one other person suffered from bad headaches as a result of Ondansetron, can't remember who it was, unfortunately! Most people suffer from awful locked up bowels, it might be worth investing in those suppositories to move the bowels, bought over the counter in another chemists, as they won't give them to pregnant women though they routinely use them in hospital.

wavesandsmiles Sat 16-Mar-13 11:22:08

Morning everyone, I have been quiet as having such an awful time with stbxh which has been really stressing me out. I'm still not so good, despite finding a few left of ondansetron suppositories which I've been using. Just trying to keep drinking and still vomiting. Seeing my consultant Monday morning but if things aren't better I'm going to have to go back to hospital before then.

I am now convinced that stress is having a major impact on this. I'm stressed at stbxh's behaviour, the mere fact of the situation, the imminent legal proceedings, the impact of all this on my baby and my DCs and of course I am stressed about the hospitals treatment of me.

Haven't tested my ketones in a few days, really hoping that I'm retaining some of the fluids I'm forcing down though! I have someone coming to view a room I intend to let out once stbxh has left tomorrow evening and I'm desperately hoping to be at home for that, so hopefully I'll last til then.

Glad that plenty of you are receiving lots of support and treatment, and hoping that the worst of this passes soon for you.

LucindaE Sat 16-Mar-13 11:28:57

wavesandsmiles Hugs over the sheer nastiness of the situation. I never thought you'd still be out, I am worried about the level those ketones are at - and if you can possibly make it until Monday. I jsut don't udnerstand it at all - they were giving you treatment as a day patient, suddenly they stop - have you tried ringing the local pregnancy support network local number as specialists etc are involved in that to fight your corner? I'd search it for you as I know how sickening it is to use a screen when nauseated but I don't know your locality. I think this is something they must treat as an emergency!

chocciemousse Sat 16-Mar-13 13:27:04

Lucinda It was still 3+ wheI was admitted. Luckily it hadn't become any higher. I may have to get them to reconsider the Ondansetron as I had severe headaches the first night I was there and all day yesterday. I haven't taken one since I was discharged last night and the headaches seem to have improved. But as you said, it is difficult to know yet if it was the dehydration or the Ondansetron. Will find out shortly hmm
Waves I hope you are ok! And yes, the consultant told me stress and fatigue exasperate the symptoms of hg.
fl0 you really need to take a break from work sad

fl0b0t Sat 16-Mar-13 15:17:36

Cheers guys. I'm actually on Phenargen (promethazine) but I don't really know any more if it's doing good. I definitely don't feel as bad as I did around weeks 5-8, but I still have bad days. And now with a throat infection too, I just feel ruined. This week is going to be hard as I have some really important meetings on and really will feel like I'm letting people down if I'm not there, but now people know that I'm ill and why I'm ill, it's a bit easier to duck out of the smaller things. Very tired though sad

Tallyra Sat 16-Mar-13 20:46:51

I'm so glad you can start to slow down now fl0, you really need to!!!
Hugs to everyone.

I remember finding the name 'Phenargan' quite nice and comforting when I was in hospital. No idea what was going on with that! Maybe just that they said it would help me sleep...

LucindaE Sun 17-Mar-13 09:29:57

Talyra I know what you mean, the psychological effect...Dare I ask how Everyone is today? Jess How are things? Waves are you still trying to hold out till Monday? Flo sad about throat infection, on top of everything else, I suppose the lowered immune system makes for other infections to complete the misery. Chocckie and Hayley and Wispa How are you feeling now since IV? Room are the meds helping? Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.

fl0b0t Sun 17-Mar-13 10:36:09

Tallyra- It does help me sleep.... maybe a little too much (in bed by 9 pretty much every night!!). Throat still hurts like hell, but I don't feel so "ill" with it as I did a couple of days ago which is good. Wish I'd had the flu jab, but they ran out at my surgery and told me not to worry as we're out of flu season now.... but I always get flu sad

chocciemousse Sun 17-Mar-13 11:38:49

lucinda Thanks for checking. I'm still nauseous but I have been able to eat very small meals and have constant sips of fluid and have kept everything down so far. Yay!

JessHelicopter Sun 17-Mar-13 15:37:15

Hey, just checking in. Lucinda you are so lovely to run this thread! It's really caring of you. I don't blame you at all about sticking with one. If i'd known how hard it was going to be again, i probably would have not done it. Only children are usually really successful and happy! DH and i thought a lot about that when were making the decision to have another one. We both have very volatile relationships with our siblings and did growing up and we wondered if in some ways it would be less traumatic for Gus to not have to go thru that. But then i selfishly (and perhaps idiotically) decided that i wanted more children to look after and love!

As far as sickness is concerned, I actually have managed to have a few days of no sick. I even made it out of the house for the first time all week yesterday. I feel ropey again today but it's given me hope that not every day has to be sheer hell. Altho i know things could change any moment and i could be back to not even keeping water down. I am terrified of going back to work tomorrow tho. Even feeling better, i still feel awful. sad

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