Sept 2010- Making our way through the terribles two, with some new siblings along the way :)

[cinnamongreyhound]

New thread for us long standing Sept 2010 mums and anyone who want to join us. Anyone want to add any stats or summaries please feel free!

Old thread

[SilverBirdie]

Thanks for the new thread cinnamon

It's a combination of being frightened at first but then just not wanting to close his eyes because he predicts me leaving. Last night I was edging further away from his bed to leave for over an hour but it didn't work! I gave up and he slept with us which I know is silly but I'm so tired.
Closing the stair gate on him and sitting outside really does just make things much, much worse but Dh convinced its what we should do.
It dawned on me that in the night his breath is always honking.... I just put it down to bed breath but then remembered that when he came with me to the dentist (January) I think, he still had back two, top molars to come. Who knows but it could be a combination of all tree
It has all resulted in me putting Notonthehighstreet on maternity leave now even though we need the money and I love doing it

Still available for mates rates commissions though

[cinnamongreyhound]

That's a shame but better than you totally wearing yourself out :(

[Dixiebell]

Morning all. Off to France today. First time abroad since Arlo was born. Excited! Thought leaving for the ferry at 6.30 would mean a stupidly early morning, but of course we are all up anyway with time to spare courtesy of Ted who think 5.15 is wakeup time, and Arlo who is currently singing loudly to himself in bed :)

[cinnamongreyhound]

Have a lovely time Dixiebell, haven't been abroad since I was with my ex! Dh and I went to Dublin for a weekend when we were first together. Had problems to start with that dss's mum would let us have his passport but now dh and ds1's has run out (having never been used) and Luke has never had one.

I am awake, not because of my children, but because of my Dh!! He has been ill for over 3 weeks, finally went to the dr Tuesday and he has sinusitis again. He's been given stronger antibiotics than last time and for longer but they don't seem to have made a difference so far. He's just so blimmin noisy! I know it must be hard, he's hardly sleeping but when he's awake I'm awake mostly. Very loud nose blowing, squirting stuff up his nose, huffing and puffin becasue he's fed up of ring awake and feeling rough. Lovely to share these moments

On a positive note, Luke has become lovely :) tantrums in te most part gone, listening to what I'm saying and just being generally reasonable and loving. I get random kisses for nothing and I can talk to him if there's something he doesn't like. Tantrums have been replaced with this stammer so perhaps it is a development thing related to both. Ds1 has turned into a stroppy teenager though at 6 so I guess once he's stopped it'll be Luke's turn again!

[lumpylumps]

I go away for 1 week and you disappear off onto a new thread!!

cinnamon sorry about your dog. I don't do dogs but have lots of family and friends who do and have seen how they're such a massive part of the family. More than just a pet.

beady ollys just going/gone through a similar phase and he has got a new tooth so it could very easily be that. They've both also just had slap cheek so it could've been that too!

We've just got back from the best holiday. It was brilliant. So good in fact that we've decided to go for a late deal in August. Although we didn't get back till 5am so are all knackered. Olly had what I think was a night terror on the plane. He was doing asleep then suddenly started kicking out. I pulled him onto my knee and he just started attacking me like I was a complete stranger. Then screamed like he was being murdered, spat at me and let me cuddle him and snuggled in!!! It was like he was possessed!!

[cinnamongreyhound]

I loved her to bits lumpylumps but I am surprised quite how hard it's hit me, I've cried so much!!!!! Glad you had a lovely holiday! One day we will have a sunny holiday, my two would love being on a plane :)

[cinnamongreyhound]

Disappeared from threads I'm on, must be a quiet time

[Debs75]

A new threadyay!!!

I should be revising for my Maths GCSE on Tuesday but judging by the amount of times I have corrected myself during one sentence I should be doing my English GCSE

Cinnamon after my mums dog died she often bought tins of food or went to take her for a walk. Glad to see you have Billy to love and enjoy he is gorgeous.

Silver DD2 was like that and still is. I fed her to sleep until she was 3 and a half. She was and still is a super clingy child around bedtimes. It often takes an hour to read a story and settle her. She cuddles onto us until she is fast asleep and then we have to sneak away. If you get any good advice pass it on please.
Is notonthehighstreet a website or your personal one? I am sure there was a link to it in the Sunday mag

[SilverBirdie]

Debs I think it's hard because its come as a shock as J has been a fab sleeper since about 8 months old. He's still no better. Wakes in the night and the only answer is for Dh to sleep on his floor.
I'm a bit peeved at the timing as if I wasn't pregnant, I could go to him and wait for him to nod off again then go to my own bed but Dh can't stay awake that long so has to sleep in J's room.
He's also got really bossy recently. Lots of changes so really hoping it passes but i predict horrendous nights ahead what with Peach due so soon.
I am just trying to limit anything remotely sugary after about 4/5pm to see if that helps any

Peach is breach and has been for a while so if still there at consultant's appt next week an elcs date will be booked regardless of pelvic disproportion thingy

Notonthehighstreet is a mail order site full of fab, mostly British makers amidst some mass produced tosh I love it for presses but my store on there is disabled now until I'm back from maternity leave.
Can always find me at rosiesoul.co.uk though am about to mark everything as out of stock to prevent orders.

Uhhhh pretty shattered today and need to go raid the ice pops again.
Hope everyone is really good and cinnamon how is Billy settling?

[SilverBirdie]

How many child free nights off have you had with your Dh/dp so far this year??

[cinnamongreyhound]

Sorry to hear about your breechness SilverBirdie, Luke was transverse until 36 weeks it was very worrying! Hope Jack's sleep improves and I'm sure you'll be back to Notonthehighstreet before you know it!

Billy is settling well, he's getting better all the time. More relaxed, not jumping up every time I move and is getting better with listening and not stealing food. My cats are still pretty scarce so we haven't had a lot of chance to see how he is with them and start training him :(

Probably 3 or 4 nights, either home or out for dinner/cinema then home. Boys stay at my mums as it suits her better. My dh isn't one for going out!

[newmum001]

Hi everyone i'm back, there's no way i can catch up on everything but there's a lovely new thread so hopefully i'll be up to speed in no time.

Me and dp worked everything out and are back together, yay!!

Grace is also being a bugger at bedtime but its just her trying it on tbh. she's become very bossy and has always been very independent so its a case of "i don't want to go to sleep and you can't make me so i'll kick off until you give me attention" she's not like that every night though but she does try it most nights. It's like a battle of wills with us recently, she's very stubborn and i'm easily irritated. its not a good combination. She's getting better though and is good for the most part.

Cinnamon so sorry to hear about your dog but the new dog looks lovely and hopefully he's settling in well.

[lumpylumps]

Yey newmum that's great news. I'm so pleased for you and grace!!

Ollys been a nightmare at bedtime too. He's a lot better now tho and we've had 4 out of the last 5 calm and easy bedtimes, no screaming shouting or paddying!!!

So, between me, you and this thread, I've decided I want another baby. I've spoken to dh and he doesn't!!!!! I need to talk him round. The last thing I said was if we don't, we'll always wonder. If we do, we'll never regret it cos it'd be our baby. He thinks it'll break us!!!

[Debs75]

Hi Newmum glad you have worked things out with DP.
Lumpy it is awful wanting another child and DP not. I kind of coped with it for almost 9 years. I thought I was finally ok with it and I got caught pregnant with dd2. It made me realise that I wasn't happy with just 2 dc's and ultimately 3 dc's weren't enough. I can tell you hand on heart 4 dc's is definitely enough.

What is it with kids and sleeping. My two are just nightmares on a night, but only for me not for DP which is driving me mad. They are super excited at the moment as we have been offered a new house.
It has 4 bedrooms, 2 reception rooms, kitchen, utility room, 3 yes 3 toilets and a bathroom. The gardens are pretty decent sized, smaller than ours but then ours is massive and too big. We do lose a driveway so have to park on the road but that is a small sacrifice to pay for an extra bedroom.
We get the keys on Monday and then it is paint, paint, paint. The last tennants had an awful taste in colours, one room is steel grey everywhere and another is the most awful mucky green. With any luck we will be in their before July. It also means Lucy will have her own bed soon and me and DP will have our own room back for the first time in almost 5 years. We are very happy bunnies

[cinnamongreyhound]

That's great news newmum001!!!! I picked up Nellys ashes today, feeling quite sad about her not being here anymore and to be honest sometimes having Billy makes it harder but dh and the boys really wanted another dog and I didn't want to be the one to say no.

I know how you feel lumpylumps, some days it's really hard and other days I know he's right! We really can't afford another one with life the way it is and I think I was very close to depression with Luke and it would be just as hard a third time around unless I could cut back on work which I can't. I regularly cry when I see a pregnant woman which is ridiculous! Luke does not want a baby but ds1 would love a baby. I also worry that another would upset the lowly balance in our house but then nothing really changes when dss is here so perhaps it'd be fine.

[SilverBirdie]

Hi newmum fab news about you and dp! V pleased for you

Saw consultant yesterday at 36 + 2 and finally went through my notes from Jack's delivery. Thoughts on the following from anyone would be hugely appreciated:
As he didn't have my notes at my first appt I asked my mw to view them at hospital and relay the info which is when she told me about the small pelvis thing..... No word of this from the consultant yesterday and he dismissed it as an old wives tale anyway.
Then, he came across a page of notes from theatre which tell that during incision I had a vertical uterine tear so have a sort of T shaped scar rather than the classical horizontal one from csec. I asked if this increases the risk of uterine rupture during possible vbac and the doubled the risk of it happening its also a tear repair rather than an incision repair.
No wonder I was in agony after surgery and for so long.
Jack was also back to back and head tilted which would explain the hideous pain in labour with no pain relief. Gah!
Seeing him again next Wed as couldn't make an on spot decision but I can't get to see a mw until next Thurs and really, really need help on this..... Consultant seems to me to be very pro vbac and made no effort to suggest an elcs would be the safest option although having read a bit on this most mums are told after repair not to have another vb.

Going to see if I can sit and wait for a mw at docs today.........

[cinnamongreyhound]

I have no idea about that SilverBirdie!! I can't quite understand your sentance, did he say it doubles the risk of uterine rupture? It would depend on the risk as to what double is, if it's 1 in 100,000 then double is still only 1 in 50,000 so low. Generally you have to trust the medics in front of you but if all research leads to another opinon you could ask for another consultant or just go against what this one says and have an elcs anyway.

[SilverBirdie]

They are so rare cinnamon that there's no national stat for it but he brought the stat of rupture being 1/100 down to 1/40 for a rupture of this kind of scar.... He said with a shrug
He is very vague and not anti elcs exactly but he just won't tell me what he suggests is best for me!
I snuck into the docs this morning first thing and they agreed to let me in last minute to speak to a midwife. I relayed everything to her and she said definitely elcs putting all into consideration and actually, for the first time she made me think about baby first rather than me thinking of Jack first and being out of action for too long to give him the attention he needs.
Does seem that the safest option is elcs

[cinnamongreyhound]

Why suggest it if its not best for you?!?!

I know why you feel the way you do and I'd feel the same. Still have times when I could cry that I didn't get the births I wanted but if you go for the elcs you will regret not having a vac if you go for the vbac it sounds as though you could be regretting a lot worse.

[lumpylumps]

Ok, so the way I see it, it's a completely different pregnancy, birth and labour from Jack. Apart from the resulting scar, forget everything to do with Jack and focus on this baby. If the mw is recommending an elcs then that's what you do. It's elective, straight forward. No Labour before hand, no panic, no stress. Quicker recovery. The best and cheapest way to deliver a baby is vaginally so they wouldn't recommend a cs without good reason. Jack will be fine, its only 6 weeks of you recovering. He'll hardly notice.
It's a hard decision to make and the professionals can't make it for you but from what you've said you'll be risking more by trying for a vbac.

[cinnamongreyhound]

It's true elcs is much quicker recovery from friends I know who've had both Silverbirdie, plus you won't be knackered from any labour as lumpylumps says. Your bump is amazing!

Have had a terrible weekend, Billy bit me Friday and had to take him back Saturday. Been exhausting emotional time the last few weeks :(. To top it all we went to work with dh today as I didn't want to be home without him with doggy gone and we got stuck in traffic so spent half of Sunday in the car! On the plus side Luke is still being a little treasure, odd moments but generally lovely to be with. His stammer is still there but improving :)

[newmum001]

Just testing

[newmum001]

Oh good that worked, I'm on the app and never used it before.

Silver I'd definitely do cs, as everyone has said it seems the much safer option and Jack will deal with it.

Cinnamon so sorry to hear about Billy. But at least he bit you and not one of the children. And I see he's got a new home already which is great news.

Slight issue, got a talking to off graces nursery today cause she gets upset when talking about dp (he hasn't moved back in yet, he's coming home this weekend) apparently grace has been like this for 2 weeks but the nursery nurse didn't go into detail. Spoke to grace about it and she seems fine but I feel so sad about it.

Lumpy, I want another baby too. Me and dp have agreed to wait till next year though to give us chance to clear a couple of debts so we're not getting in over our heads money wise. I can't wait!!

[cinnamongreyhound]

I don't like the app use the mobile site on my phone.

I can see you're sad newmum001 but I'd also be rally annoyed at nursery that they haven't mentioned it for two weeks! Should sort itself out once he's back though :) also don't forget that some things are down to interpretation, she may just be slightly quieter.

[newmum001]

It just really shocked me tbh and I was too thrown to ask any details. I talked to grace and she said she cries sometimes cause she misses mummy and daddy at nursery so I asked if she misses daddy more and she said no. I asked if anyone has said anything she said no and then said she loves nursery which I know she does. She is clingy with me so it doesn't surprise me that she gets a bit emotional sometimes when she's there but surely she's not the only 2 year old to ever tear up because she wants mummy and daddy at nursery. I'm going to ask them if she's said anything specific when I drop her off and also when I picked her up today a little girl said to grace out of the blue "my daddy isn't at work" so it looks like any issues have been discussed in front of the other children. We have told her that daddy is working a lot to kind of explain why he isn't here as much so it doesn't surprise me that she's said that at nursery but the whole thing seems a bit odd and tbh I really felt like I was being judged. I'm not overly keen on the nursery nurse that told me but it just didn't sit right at all. I'll see what they say tomorrow.