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If you voted Tory how do you feel about 'austerity is over'?(30 Posts)
I keep hearing that May has told MPs that austerity is over, that it isn't what the people want. But isn't that what tory voters voted for? And are you not a bit annoyed by the backtracking?
I hold my hands up as a massive lefty and if the vote had gone the other way and labour had turned around and decided that, actually, austerity was the way forward, I'd be pretty pissed. I'm just wondering why there is do little reaction.
I promise I'm not being goady, I'm genuinely interested
I'm not a Tory voter, but I can't help but think that this will be followed with an attempt to dress up austerity as something else, which is likely (again) to affect disabled and poor people, but allow tax breaks (again) to the wealthy.
Maybe I'm just a jaded old doubting Thomas. Won't hold my breath though...
There wasn't ever 'austerity' there were just ideological slashing of anything that was decent
This is becoming a real witch hunt on TM by the left and the BBC.
TM is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't.
She really can't win.
She really can't win
Probably because she keeps back-tracking and changing her mind, anything to cling on to power. She's beginning to make Cameron look like a decent PM.
I voted Conservative. I'm not annoyed with May at all. Well only for calling a snap election and a dismal election campaIgn. I hope she hangs on in there and rides out this period of hate by the left and media.
I think it will end up turning out to be for the best in the long run if they alter the austerity and find a better economic model which affects the most needy the least.
I said to a friend the other day that JC is extremely left and TM extremely right. If you look at the percentage figures of votes and then look at all those not entitled to vote or unable (most would be typical labour supporters due to the nature of their needs) it's probably a very equal split between the 2 parties.
If JC could take a step to the right and TM a step to the left this country could do great things and we could retire some balance.
I'm not a TM fan and not a Tory - but I do support her and am gaining confidence in her as she moves away from a more Thatcher type rein.
We have borrowed more under the Tories than ever before! Our children will be lumbered with the debt. Not that they will earn enough to pay the high taxes that will be needed but don't let that bother anyone! The future looks dismal for everyone!
Youarenot, JC is not "extremely left", he's just left! Since New Labour happened, it's been so long since we had anybody left of centre in power you've forgotten what it looks like!
From the top of my head I know Jc is anti monarchist, anti grammar schools to the point of divorce, I'd say that was a bit more extreme than 'just left'
They are the old socialist left - old Marxists in fact!
I think there's a lot of cobblers being spouted, a lot of knives being sharpened, and a lot of smoke blowing up to screen various messes. I don't trust anything any of them say at the moment. I'll believe it when I'm holding it.
JC is not "extremely left", he's just left! Since New Labour happened
I agree, pre-Blair, Labour's election manifesto would have been utterly unremarkable, pedestrian almost.
I know Jc is anti monarchist, anti grammar schools to the point of divorce, I'd say that was a bit more extreme than 'just left'
Being opposed to grammar schools (as many people are) and opposition to the monarchy(a move supported by dangerous radicals like Martin Amis & Daniel Radcliffe) are hardly, off the radar, Chairman Mao stuff are they? Anyway whilst Corbyn is personally a republican, he accepts the Labour party policy on not abolishing the monarchy, which is a shame but still.
Not only was the Labour manifesto mainstream for a Labour manifesto, at one point quite a lot of it was also mainstream for the Liberals under Lloyd George (housing, social care, wages, etc.). Such policies also formed a big part of the postwar consensus supported by the Tories. So either LG and the mid-20th century Tory party were secret Stalinists or what passes for mainstream politics in this country has swung to the right over the last 30 or so years.
...they're also fairly mainstream policies for the more progressive countries on the continent right now. It's odd how we've become so much more communicative and apparently liberal/ outward-looking nowadays yet our knowledge of our nearest neighbours actually seems to be reducing.
So called ‘austerity’ is the result of the UK spending more than it earned from the £153 billion a year in 2010, to around £52 billion more now – so getting our books in order (as the UK spends more every year) can only be slowed down, not ended – as the UK is already paying over £40 billion A YEAR in interest, servicing the current national debt, that could be better spent on UK services etc.
Bank of England Interest rates at the lowest level ever since the BoE was formed, can only now go up, and the recent BoE 5 to 3 vote shows that interest rates rises putting UP the service costs of current debt, never mind new, is closer than ever.
That £153 billion overspend in 2010 was the largest cash deficit in Europe by far, from the worst UK recession in growth LOSS terms during 2008/9 in over 80-years, and although the reduction has dragged on for far too long, the government already slowed the deficit reduction process down by reducing taxes for the people and businesses, which is why we had the best job growth in the Eurozone by far.
While you might be pleased about the list of spending and borrowing Labour put out in their manifesto on the road to Greece, that will dramatically increase the interest charge taxpayers cough up by running annual deficits adding annually to the National Debt (that could be better spent on services) – lets remember into 2016 Labour’s shadow chancellor McDonnell was still saying that Labour needed to be responsible in annual spending along the lines of the Conservatives – if nothing else, to repair the damage to Labour’s economic competency reputation, based on what they left in 2010.
The fact Labour’s 2017 manifesto repeats all the mistakes made by Labour in the 2000s, and then some, is another story, but it shows the Conservative change in policy is nowhere near as extreme as Labour’s under Corbyn and McDonnell.
Who says ‘throwing the dice’ when the polls are against you, don’t work. lol
My experience is that no matter which party is in power there is no change. After all the amount of money they have to play with is always the same. They might spread the cash in slightly different ways but there is never enough to make a difference. Smoke and mirrors.
My experience is that no matter which party is in power there is no change
Well consider yourself extremely lucky that you're rich enough that the very real cuts made since 2009 in services haven't touched you.
After all the amount of money they have to play with is always the same.
That isn't how it works. It really isn't.
Under this government, forget mantras, the rich are paying more tax, the poorest less than under Labour - but lets look at cuts/austerity.
The ‘austerity’ view, if a country is trying to live within its means, is a nonsense when refuses to acknowledge what spending splurge happened under the last Labour government, and the extent of the financial recession that resulted a massive economic recession from 2008 to 2009 – when the increased tax receipts of a Brown engineered financial bubble, burst, leaving the massive £153 bil 2010 government budget deficit – passed on the Conservatives.
Around 2001 when the UK tax receipts vs spending was in a small SURPLUS the UK government spending was just over £400billion (in 2009 prices) a year, but by 2008/9 the UK government was spending £618billion – as the ‘fixed costs’ of a much larger State under Labour massively grew, but the financial/economic recession causing banks and private sector companies contraction and jobs losses meant far less taxes coming in – hence Labour passed on to the Conservative Coalition what was to be a £153 billion annual government overspend in 2010
From the 2009 government spending of £618 billion under Labour, in 2017 government spending under the Conservatives will be around £784 billionl
So it’s a Labour myth there has been Conservative spending cuts, its just the rate of growth in non protected departmental budgets slowed – as the Conservatives had to try to fix the Labour governments largest annual cash overspend in UK history – that in 2010 was far larger than any Eurozone country, including Greece, with NO PLANS (or idea) in place how to fix it.
Labour’s Chancellor prior to the election in 2010 Mr Darling tried to warn UK voters that to FIX their deficit that there would be tax rises and spending cuts “deeper than under Thatcher” – but they’d give voters the details AFTER they vote in the (2010) election – pretty similar to the majority of Corbyn’s ‘tax and spend’ plans in their last manifesto.
Real UK (inflation adjusted) earnings fell from 2008 when the recession hit under Labour, but they chose to try and sustain the much higher cost State, not to help with tax cuts for the poorest workers as other countries did – in fact Chancellor Darling projecting a £167 billion 2010 government deficit if they remained in power, chose to RAISE National Insurance to now poorer workers and companies on their recession knees – which was not only a tax ON JOBS, Mr Darling acknowledge would COST UK jobs.
So Labour’s post 2010 idea in the face of Thatcher ‘austerity’ was to continue to raise taxes for everyone and making the recession worse.
While the Conservative through tax cuts to companies have seen since 2010 2.5 million more jobs (more than the Eurozone countries put together) and tax cuts to its citizens, like the raising the start rate of tax under Labour of around £6,300, to around £11,500 now and soon rise further, taking millions out of paying tax altogether.
So no Conservative in my view has to apologise for not reducing Labour’s budget deficit faster, as they also had to stop companies going bust, give them confidence to hire, and reduce taxes - rather than the ‘alternative’ under Labour’s only plan to RAISE taxes for all - in a lame socialist attempt to ‘tax the UK to sustainable growth’.
A vote for Conservative is a vote against TERRORISM.
I hope you're joking, MotherMucca, after the DUP deal.
Anyone would think that the DUP had only just attended the Westminster parliament, rather than being the 10 seats either a Conservative or Labour coalition (it whatever form) would need for a working parliamentary majority.
Alternatively could it be both Corbyn and McDonnell’s pro IRA support, when the terrorists group were active and bombing London, attending at least 72 IRA meetings - including honouring the IRA dead (but not the DUPs) has come back to haunt them?
That might explain this mindless DUP smear campaign, and/or if the Labour leadership is STILL sympathetic (for old times sake) to Sinn Fein, the IRA’s political wing.
It's not a mindless smear. The DUP have far more recently met with active terrorists who kill fathers in front of their sons. They are financially corrupt and responsible for the stalled power sharing at Stormont.
Slashed budgets is not a Labour Myth. It's reality. That's why our public sector is at breaking point.
Indeed, ButtofFun, I was going for irony.
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