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Theresa May scrapping certain human rights

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gunting · 06/06/2017 20:14

Can anyone explain what she means with the policy she's announced today because this sounds awful?

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OhtoblazeswithElvira · 06/06/2017 20:18

Link? Just when you think she can't get any worse...

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gunting · 06/06/2017 20:20
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slightlyglitterbrained · 06/06/2017 20:23

So, she wants to introduce the most heavy surveillance on the planet (despite cutting all the neighborhood police who could have told her about the extremists by, y'know, doing normal police work), AND basically throw out "innocent till proven guilty"?

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slightlyglitterbrained · 06/06/2017 20:24

She's gone over the edge. That's what it means.

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gunting · 06/06/2017 20:27

This just strikes me as letting 'terrorists win'.

Innocent people will have their lives surveilled, surely? Isn't this the kind of shit that lead to Guantanamo?

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CrossWordSalad · 06/06/2017 20:29

So, she wants to introduce the most heavy surveillance on the planet

I can't find any mention of this in the linked article.

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gunting · 06/06/2017 20:33

@CrossWordSalad surely that is implied with her wanting to control movements of people who aren't even prosecuted

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Redactio · 06/06/2017 20:34

Having read the article, it looks like typical Grauniad anti Tory hyperbole. Gunting - innocent people always have their lives surveilled, even if it's just by coppers with speed cameras or closed circuit tv in the street, it's a feature of modern life we have to live with.
You sound like you think that Guantanamo bay is a bad thing, a lot of people would disagree with you.

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OhtoblazeswithElvira · 06/06/2017 20:36

What a perfect storm for TM. She rides the wave of the terror attacks to scrape the Human Rights Act she hates so much. I don't know if she is desperate or maybe this is her best move so far? (best for her, of course).

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gunting · 06/06/2017 20:40

@Redactio detaining people without trial and torturing them? Excuse me for thinking that sounds utterly shit. I think it will work in the favour of terrorists, divide and conquer.

You can't compare having your movements tracked to driving past a speed camera.

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gunting · 06/06/2017 20:40

Besides, Bush's 'war on terror' helped absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

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kickarse · 06/06/2017 20:43

No surprise there then.

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CrossWordSalad · 06/06/2017 21:08

@CrossWordSalad surely that is implied with her wanting to control movements of people who aren't even prosecuted

Oh, okay, so you want to extrapolate from what is actually said so you can be outraged about measures that aren't being proposed. Fine.

Are you happy with the current situation with 3,000 or 23,000, depending how you measure it, known jihadis on the streets of the UK? Do you not want the state's powers to stop the terrorist atrocities we keep seeing on our streets? From my reading of the article, the proposed powers would be for use with extremist terrorists.

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GraceGrape · 06/06/2017 21:15

Good levels of community policing are the most effective way of tackling this type of terrorism. This strikes me as just an opportunity to implement the scrapping of the human rights act, which has always been one of her personal crusades. TM strikes me as fixated on a couple of narrow policies (Human Rights and immigration) that make her extremely inflexible.

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slightlyglitterbrained · 06/06/2017 21:18

Anyone with the mildest technological literacy should be able to figure out why Hashtag Rudd's surveillance proposals will not "just" fuck over human rights, but also the tech industry in the UK. Wannacry demonstrates pretty clearly why "convenient" backdoors don't stay secret, and will be misused.

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MayhemAndRudderless · 06/06/2017 21:22

Just when you think she can't possibly get any worse

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slightlyglitterbrained · 06/06/2017 21:24

Grace Agree on the inflexibility. If May was on here, we'd think she was a bot. She's wanted to take a knife to human rights law for years, and she thinks she can use the attacks to do so.

She also needs to distract attention from the fact that for the last 7 years while those attackers were being radicalised, she was Home Secretary for 6 of them, and then PM - busily telling the police they were "crying wolf" about cuts.

We already know May isn't competent to fight terrorism.

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CrossWordSalad · 06/06/2017 21:53

Would anyone like to suggest what measures they would like to see taken to tackle terrorism?

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cdtaylornats · 06/06/2017 22:00

Community Police are great when they are accepted by the community.

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gunting · 06/06/2017 22:00

@CrossWordSalad change Prevent, reverse cuts to policing (which TM actually proposed more of when she was home sec), perhaps not allowing people who appear on programmes unfurling an ISIS flag in Regents Park, who was also reported to both the police and intelligence services, to go about his business and attack London.

Out of the 5 men who have attacked this country in the past 10 weeks, 4 of them were known to security services, yet nothing was done. How did their human rights get in the way here? And why won't TM release the report of terrorism funding?

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OhtoblazeswithElvira · 06/06/2017 22:15

Would anyone like to suggest what measures they would like to see taken to tackle terrorism?

There have been 3 threads about this since Saturday. Some of them very informative.

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CrossWordSalad · 06/06/2017 22:31

Out of the 5 men who have attacked this country in the past 10 weeks, 4 of them were known to security services, yet nothing was done. How did their human rights get in the way here?

I don't know the details. But being "known to security services" is not a crime. I think this is one of the problems isn't it, that there can be reasonable grounds for suspicion but not enough evidence of a criminal action to do anything?

I agree the report should be published.

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slightlyglitterbrained · 07/06/2017 08:26

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40183147
This is the sort of report that would panic any government going into an election.

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KarmaNoMore · 07/06/2017 08:31

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WhiskyTangoFoxtrot · 07/06/2017 08:39

Changes to deportation procedures and finding a way to stop the courts throwing out control orders. As the latter were introduced by Labour, that part should get cross-party support

"I mean making it easier for the authorities to deport foreign terrorist suspects back to their own countries.
"And I mean doing more to restrict the freedom and movements of terrorist suspects when we have enough evidence to know they are a threat, but not enough evidence to prosecute them in full in court.
"And if our human rights laws get in the way of doing it, we will change the law so we can do it."

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