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Corbyn, am I the only one?

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user1496231209 Wed 31-May-17 15:17:10

Seriously, I think I'm the only one who thinks this guy is a massive kn*b and shouldn't be let anywhere near parliament. He seems hell-bent on destroying our countries economy and penalising anyone who works hard and ends up making a decent wage. His policies seem to want everyone to stay on one level. He's just chucking out policies that make no sense economically and otherwise.

And just to clarify I am a single mum, 24 year old student at university full time and I still think he's a complete idiot with ridiculous policies that want to drag everyone down to the same level rather than encouraging people to work their way up.

Askyourself Wed 31-May-17 18:04:11

Your definitely not the only one who hunks he'll be the worst thing for the UK since the Bubonic Plague.

He has played a very clever campaign, he's good at playing audiences and has a lifetime of experience protesting and rabble rousing. He knows his audience and is telling them exactly what they want to hear. Promising the earth, without any idea how he's going to pay for it, or even if he will do it. I'm surprised he hasn't offered to end world poverty, all wars and cure cancer while he's at it.

He has promised the earth with no substance or understanding of economics, business etc. People are all going wow look at what he's offering, isn't he amazing.

Sadly people are not looking at his polices I. The real world. Raising corporation tax will only stop growth of businesses, cut there profits and cause them stop recruiting, price rises and/ or worse lay people off. Couple that with raising min wage to £10 which is going to cripple small to mid size businesses causing less staff and price rises. It also forces companies to increase wages across the board. Causing more of the above.

Now add brexit which he has no plan for at all and you'll have a UK that's priced itself out of the competitive world market which we'll need. So the future 10 years under Corbyn will be unemployment rising swiftly, income tax etc rising, cost of living flying up due to wage hike and corp tax, rising inflation and interest rates with no way of making money he'll 10 times the uk debt in a heartbeat.

That's just looking at his business and fiscal model. Paints a very very bleak prospect for our future. If he gets in, it will take more than 20 years for the country to recover.

I think his plans and thoughts come from a good place, for the people. But doesn't he think that if there was billions and billions of pounds to be raise so easily it would have been done by successive governments, as it would have been really popular.

I don't like May and the current government, but they are in touch with reality. All the labour people who have the knowledge to run the country are sitting on the back benches having washed their hands of Corbyn and sitting back waiting for the train crash.

If nothing else this should be the reasons no-one should vote for him. Hold your nose as its distasteful and put the tories through to be in a strong place for Brexit, which is the single most important thing to happen to the UK in over a 100yrs. Then get a sound leader for labour and watch them walk the next 3 elections without us all having to bleed for it.

This Election isn't about being a Tory or lib or lab or whatever. This election is an election of logical, practical common sense, where smart business sense and fiscal policy will be the difference between an unpleasant exit and a total disaster.

If you vote with your head and some sort of economic, business and fiscal awareness there is only one vote and that's Tory unfortunately.

It's not a popularity contest, it's an election of the best candidate to run the country, remember that.

HoneyDragon Wed 31-May-17 18:05:28

Have you only just today discovered the internet op?grin

OhtoblazeswithElvira Wed 31-May-17 18:11:31

So you just joined MN today?

JimmyGrimble Wed 31-May-17 18:11:36

* complete idiot with ridiculous policies that want to drag everyone down to the same level rather than encouraging people to work their way up.*
For MILLIONS of people in this country under Tory austerity the opportunity to 'work their way up' has been denied. If dragging everyone down to the same level is:
An adequately funded NHS that is free at the point of need for everyone
An adequately funded education system that helps everyone find their way out of poverty and prepares children for work
A progressive tax system that will simply ask the richer members of our society to pay a bit more to make services better for everyone
Then I'm for it.
A lot of rich people in this country will tell you that they have worked much harder than everyone else and the fact that the poor are poor is because they're lazy, feckless and stupid. This is bollocks. Some people are lucky. Why shouldn't they pay a bit more?

namechange20050 Wed 31-May-17 18:13:56

A massive knob and an idiot? Whatever you think of him this is quite unfair (plus rather uneloquent). He's obviously a man of principle, honest and a hardworking polictician. I think even his detractors would concede that.

rosie1959 Wed 31-May-17 18:15:53

No you are not the only one
The wonderful list of all the thing he is going to do make him seem like the answer to everything
Great post from Askyourself if it all was this easy
Corporation tax doesn't just effect the big corporates but all small limited companies
It's the usual labour tax to the hilt - borrow - landing us all in the brown stuff once again

JimmyGrimble Wed 31-May-17 18:18:54

TM hasn't ever admitted how much she is going to tax us. Because she will increase taxes you know. And it won;t be taxes for the very richest. It'll be increasing taxes for those of us who can't afford it. You know, the ones who have seen their wages decrease by 10% since 2010?
Government borrowing has increased to record levels under the Tories. An inconvenient truth....

Askyourself Wed 31-May-17 18:20:13

The rich of which I am not or never will be, pay a lot already. The top 10% of earners pay 49-56% of all of the tax, depending on who's figures you believe. That leaves the 90% to pick up the rest. I don't think that's unfair. That phrase asking the rich to pay a little more is total bunk. The money raised will not even vaguely raise the funds he needs. So in a year or 2 he'll raise everyone's tax's for all. So we'll all be paying more and everything will cost more.

That's great. I agree austerity and the underfunding of NHS is terrible and needs to be changed but not at the cost of the entire country. Everyone needs to look at the bigger picture that effects everyone rather than their bubbles.

JimmyGrimble Wed 31-May-17 18:26:27

That's great. I agree austerity and the underfunding of NHS is terrible and needs to be changed but not at the cost of the entire country. Everyone needs to look at the bigger picture that effects everyone rather than their bubbles.
The NHS, education and social care do affect everyone. The Tories are deliberately underfunding in order to privatise and deliver massive profits for their mates.

Bombardier25966 Wed 31-May-17 18:30:50

@Askyourself, if you're looking at the bigger picture, do you not think that it's time that those on lower incomes, and in particular the disabled, got a break? Because they've had nothing but shit for the past seven years. If you think the top 5% are paying their fair share, or have been in the slightest way impacted by austerity, then you are deluded.

Radishal Wed 31-May-17 18:32:18

No just you, op. He's the only reason I am, for the first time, not voting Labour.

Catminion Wed 31-May-17 18:33:57

I earn a 'decent wage' and will be voting for Corbyn. Go figure.

Radishal Wed 31-May-17 18:34:50

Not. Not no grin

elevenclips Wed 31-May-17 18:42:28

We should all vote for him, after all he has a money tree. Anyone requiring money can go to it on a unicorn (the unicorn transport is free, it only needs fresh air to stay alive and it shits silver coins).

Askyourself Wed 31-May-17 18:49:50

As things stand If you earn £16500 per year, you pay ruffle £80 a month in tax, if you earn £100,000 a year you pay ruff £2,400 per month in tax.
So that's earning 6 times more but paying 30 times more tax. Numbers increase obviously.

The point made by most economists, is that there simply isn't enough people earning above £100,000 to make raising their tax worth while. Raising the tax on wages under that would raise a fortune. Hmm I wonder what Corbyn will do when he hasn't enough cash from his others bait brained schemes. You don't need to be graduate of business to understand these simple fiscal truths. I'm not trying to be anti Corbyn because of who he is or what he stands for. It purely just doesn't add up in any way to go with his policy which will ruin us all. The rich will not loose out, they won't see austerity, they never will, but Corbyn a plan will cripple the so called middle class and working class.

JimmyGrimble Wed 31-May-17 18:53:22

We should all vote for him, after all he has a money tree. Anyone requiring money can go to it on a unicorn (the unicorn transport is free, it only needs fresh air to stay alive and it shits silver coins)
People will vote for him rather than for a Tory government that has offered them precisely nothing. The Tories have not costed their manifesto. TM is refusing to say how much she is going to tax us. But tax us she will. With no corresponding improvement to public services. The magic fucking money tree exists for the very wealthiest in our society. Meanwhile 4 million children are living in poverty. You all right with that?

Askyourself Wed 31-May-17 19:08:58

Meanwhile 4 million children are living in poverty. You all right with that?

You think that will change under Corbyn? It's going to get worse. Business will shrink, redundancy and company closures will rise and there will be no knew jobs of investment by anyone in or out of the U.K. Because of the corporate tax and silly high min wage. I be lived through the years of penny pinching and prosperity and now back to penny pinching. Win business growth low tax and investment comes opportunities, jobs and prosperity. That's not a Tory manifesto that's just sound economic sense. Corbyn fails to see that and proposes the opposite. You bot for that then you really are deserving of the pain it will bring

JimmyGrimble Wed 31-May-17 19:12:36

Ah .... the big lie. If business is profitable and wages are low then the wealth and prosperity will trickle down to the rest of us.
Now that's the real fairy story.
Of course business are backing the Tories. A low wage, low tax economy puts money in their shareholder's pockets.

Bluntness100 Wed 31-May-17 19:33:21

*He's obviously a man of principle, honest and a hardworking polictician. I think even his detractors would concede that+

Well, I think the op goes too far,I don't think he's a massive knob. Although I agree with her other sentiments.

However, I don't think he's a man of Principle or honest. I think he is lying to the British public. Lying about his previous terrorism activities, he lied over his brexit feelings and he lied over that stupid train photo. I also think he's lying about what he can achieve and promising people pink unicorns that if he did get in he couldn't deliver and if he could he would have to take something else away...like take away benefits if min wage goes to ten pounds and leave em worse off. He knows he can't do it and he's lying to get votes, like he lied about those other things

I do think he is hard working though. If you call what he's done for years work.

elevenclips Wed 31-May-17 19:40:52

Jimmy I'm just going to point out that millions of ordinary hardworking people have pensions. Billions of pounds of pension money is invested in corporations. So, actually for the shareholders to get loads of money it's a good thing for because indirectly via our pensions we are the shareholders! Or did you consider shareholders to just be greedy rich cunts that stop the rest of us from having anything and plunge children into poverty?

Askyourself Wed 31-May-17 19:52:27

Jimmygrimble, the big lie? Really.

Let me see, successful companies, invest in themselves and staff and grow more and more successful fact!. The more successful businesses, the more jobs, the more money being spent which in turn creates more jobs fact!. All of that is taxable, so the more successful businesses the more tax and the more money for the government to spend on health, those that can't work etc fact!

That's not a great lie, it's called capitalism and it works, it's not perfect but it works. The alternative Socialism is similar except there are no middle class and the poor are poorer as there is no money being paid in to help them.

A great old saying from Russia was 'we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us' . Socialism an acedemic ideology but has no practical application, as the failed examples all over the work show.

Another old saying is ' if your not a socialist when your young, you don't have a heart, but if your a socialist when your older, you don't have a brain.'

I commend the sentiment, the caring and the idea of sharing. But people aren't all equal. Some are weak and other strong. Some are clever, some at not, some work hard, some do not, some take without care, others give/share without thought etc etc . It's called being human. So we can all strive to do our best, pay our way, achieve for ourselves and maybe help a little and for most that works really well.

Of course we need to help the most vulnerable and helpless. But the rest need to help themselves too maybe....

JimmyGrimble Wed 31-May-17 21:08:50

Yes .... the big lie.
Corporation tax was 28% in 2010.
The Tories cut it to 20% and plan to cut it further to 18% by 2020.
This is the lowest rate in the G20. The lowest.
Now ..... job creation since 2010 - 80% of jobs created since 2010 - those jobs that the Tories are so proud of - 80% of them are in industries that pay less that £7.95 per hour. These are called 'low paid industries'. So yeah ... there is a fucking magic money tree and it's being exploited by the Tories to help the rich get even richer.
Employment in high paying jobs has increased but people in middle earning jobs have also been struggling as these middle earning jobs have disappeared and they have been forced to work for minimum wage.
Public sector employees have also borne the brunt of Tory austerity as wages have been cut by 14% in real terms.
So .... after seven years of low corporation tax would it not have been reasonable to expect to have seen some kind of 'trickle down' if it was going to happen? Because we haven't seen it. I wonder why?

shivermytimbers Wed 31-May-17 21:14:39

Very nicely said Jimmy! I think JC is ace - even more so after tonight's debate. Amber Rudd came across as a right cunt.

DoctorTwo Wed 31-May-17 21:18:17

We should all vote for him, after all he has a money tree. Anyone requiring money can go to it on a unicorn (the unicorn transport is free, it only needs fresh air to stay alive and it shits silver coins).

Silver is finite. Money in its current form is not. We can create as much money as we want, and Ann Pettifor is advocating just that, as is Steve Keen, in the form of QE for the people. Considering one is a former BoE employee and member of the MPC and the other is a world renowned professor of economics I'll take their view over yours.
A Postcapitalist world is coming, and you neoliberals need to see that we'e sick of your shit. Your trickle down bullshit (which I called to my mates in 1985) has been proved to be the opposite, namely flood up.

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