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Whatslovegottodo Sat 27-May-17 20:14:03

Please please come out and lend a hand.
This is a grass roots movement to get the tories out and have a fairer society. It's a once in a generation chance to change the narrative.
Save the NHS. Stop the school cuts. Protect the many not the few. We need your help.
It's social and not hard work. I really enjoyed chatting to people in a local constituency today and was overwhelmed with the support despite it having a strong Tory candidate. Those who didn't want a leaflet were polite and it was a great way to spend the day.
Is a range of events, stalls, leafleting, door stepping - something for everyone - I urge you to give it a go.
https://mynearestmarginal.com/ will give you details of constituencies the party are focusing on and how and where you can be of help.

Whatslovegottodo Sat 27-May-17 20:15:09

mynearestmarginal.com

Clicky link?

PigletWasPoohsFriend Sat 27-May-17 20:15:48

That isn't a Labour party website though it is momentum!

Whatslovegottodo Sat 27-May-17 20:21:46

I didn't say it was a Labour Party website? It tells you where the marginal seats are and what campaign events are on and when etc.
Of course you can look at the general labour website for a full list of all constituencies if you prefer.

www.labour.org.uk/index.php/home

PigletWasPoohsFriend Sat 27-May-17 20:23:23

Maybe you should have posted that one finstead as you are asking people to campaign for Labour.

Whatslovegottodo Sat 27-May-17 20:27:03

The first one links to labour campaigns just the same with the exception it targets marginal seats?
I also found it simpler to use. I think you are creating issues where they don't exist.

Askyourself Wed 31-May-17 00:13:32

To coin a phrase, if it was a potted fern vs Corbyn I'd vote for the potted plant. He is not labour, he shares very few of the labour ideals, most of the senior labour members have distanced themselves from this whole campaign and hope for labour to loose terribly so they can finally get rid of Corbyn. I understand why a few like him, but he's an idealist not a realist, he blindly seems to think others think like him deep down and let's be honest is an out and out socialist.

Please please don't vote labour for this 1 election, get rid of Corbyn and his well meaning but unrealistic and potentially country destroying ideas. Let's get a good strong and sensible leader for labour and kick the Torres out after brexit.

Let's face it, you wouldn't trust Abbot to walk your dog, McDonnell is clueless shouldn't be trusted with a petty cash tin let alone the uk budget.

Come on people, I know the tories are bad, but Corbyn's manifesto sounds wonderful but is total rubbish. The uk under Corbyn will end up totally ruined. Wake up look at the facts, the huge holes and realise we will end up with a generation or more worth of austerity trying to fix the damage done. If it sounds to good to be true, it usually is.

JimmyGrimble Wed 31-May-17 00:27:24

He is not labour, he shares very few of the labour ideals, most of the senior labour members have distanced themselves from this whole campaign and hope for labour to loose terribly so they can finally get rid of Corbyn. I understand why a few like him, but he's an idealist not a realist, he blindly seems to think others think like him deep down and let's be honest is an out and out socialist.
The Labour Party is founded on Socialist principles and JC is returning to those principles. The cowards and traitors in the PLP can distance themselves all they like. They will stay and show some loyalty or they will go. The people who voted for JC as leader want a Socialist party not some Tory lite watered down cover version.

Askyourself Wed 31-May-17 00:34:55

Academically, socialism works. Without greed, jealousy, a competitive spirit, and other emotions that make up the complexities of the human spirit, it’s accepted by most experts that a system of a tyrannical form of socialist government functions.
The idea, though, thatallindividuals will be satisfied with their own possessions regardless of how hard they work, and that others should determine what they earn based on a collective need, is rejected through so many living examples of failed government.

Why Socialism or Communism don't work.
If you don't own it, your not going to workor take care of it. Look at apartments that are turned into condos. When the apartments are rented, the renters don't own the apartments. They arenot likely to care if something gets broken and mistreated thus lowering the value, because it is not theirs. It is the landlords. It is his problem. (Who cares, no skin off my nose?) However once the people buy the condos and it becomes their property, they now have a vested interest in keeping it in good shape. While they were renters they were living under Socialism (no ownership). Once they brought the condo, they became Capitalist. (ownership) and their thinking changed.
Under true Socialism or Communism, Steve Jobs could not have brought the parts for his prototype computer. If he knew that his hard work, would never allow him to make more money then his neighbor who spends his time watching mindless TV shows, why would he even bother to waste his time trying to invent something new and useful. Why not take it easy? Everybody else does. In Germany and France, union employees get months of paid vacation time. Take it easy, you'll get paid!
Socialism and Communism kill the 'will' to work, competition, innovation and creativity. Why compete to work? You won't make any more money. Why spend time innovating new ideas, or being creative, there won't be anything in it for me. As a result they fail to provide goods and services for their citizens. The Soviet Eastern Communist countries of the 20th century were noted for not having much goods and services for their citizens. Yet, the ruling class always had plenty of everything, and it was usually imported from capitalist countries. While we have rich people in America, we also have a large middle class, that live comfortable lives. Even many if not most poor people in America have refrigerators, TVs, and food on the table.

Askyourself Wed 31-May-17 00:36:40

Labour was founded on socialist ideals not socialism which is JC's personal beliefs

JimmyGrimble Wed 31-May-17 00:40:57

Just out of interest, could you possibly attribute your sources?

Valentine2 Wed 31-May-17 00:57:33

askyourself
you gave a very simplistic, textbook example there of Steve Jobs vs his neighbour.
capitalism, the system that helped Steve Jobs amass his wealth, isn't perfect under any circumstances either.
So while we are working on tinkering both extreme sides, I would much rather I go with the person who doesn't change principles like baby diapers.
Besides, the Labour manifesto is what matters to me because Jeremy Corbyn is not Labour. Labour is far beyond him.
The manifesto of Labour is "strong and stable". grin after tonight's newsnight, I have nearly decided I am voting Labour, not LibDem.

imablackstarnotapopstar Wed 31-May-17 08:18:55

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