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Anyone else torn over Corbyn coup

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RoseDeGambrinus Mon 27-Jun-16 20:44:39

My Facebook is full of outrage at MPs overriding party members and yes I can see it's anti-democratic in that sense. But on the other hand I think it's unfair to brand the shadow cabinet members now resigning as Blairite plotters. I think many of them are just honestly fed up with his rather half-hearted Remain campaigning and don't think he has a chance of winning a possibly imminent general election. Whatever happens it's going to tear the Labour party apart. Just so depressing.

bobthebuddha Mon 27-Jun-16 20:48:50

No Corbyn fan, but if ever there was a time for cool heads, time and reflection from the opposition then this is it. Instead we have the depressingly predictable spectacle of our elected politicians doing the ferrets-in-a-sack act.

RoseDeGambrinus Mon 27-Jun-16 20:55:41

Seems like you have to be Scottish to get any credible post-referendum leadership.

StrawberrytallCake Mon 27-Jun-16 20:56:32

...or a woman grin

Brokenbiscuit Mon 27-Jun-16 21:22:56

I don't think we lost the referendum because of Corbyn. I don't think we can win a general election with Corbyn. Then again, I don't think we will win one without him.

I don't think the spectacle of the Labour Party tearing itself apart at a time of national crisis will win much support. Then again, Corbyn hasn't really shown any leadership and he probably needs to go.

Either way, the Labour Party has massively lost its way, and I'm not sure how on earth it will ever find its way back. Very sad, but at the same time, I feel that there are bigger things for us to worry about right now. They need to stop navel gazing.

VagueButlmportant Mon 27-Jun-16 21:27:55

Totally agree Broken. Terrible timing - opportunistic and self-indulgent. Just as the Conservatives are imploding, the Lab Party are trying to out-implode them!

I voted for Corbyn last time round. I will do again if he is the only candidate whose policies I agree with. I'd love a charismatic, media-friendly socialist who could lead the whole party and country to victory, but I really don't believe that person exists. Would love to be proved wrong.

Redlocks28 Mon 27-Jun-16 23:04:55

I actually like Corbyn- I think he's principled and I like the way he just talks in the hoc without the ridiculous ranting and play fighting that so many of the others do.

I can understand that so many labour MPs don't like him but feel that maybe Labour is now v broad? Some of them seem unrecognisable from the conservatives in their views whereas Corbyn is obviously pretty far to the left! Should they split into two separate parties?! Or will that just split the vote and the Conservatives will forever be bigger and stronger?

I wonder what some of the constituents who voted for the MPs who have resigned think of their MPs now? Are they pleased? Would that lose them voters next time?

neolara Mon 27-Jun-16 23:11:01

I'm delighted there's a couple. I think Labour will never win with Corbyn in charge. If there is going to be a general election, I want to have a party I can vote for. I will never vote Conservative but I would never vote for a Corbyn-run labour party. In fact, I've joined the labour party specifically to have a vote in the leadership election.

neolara Mon 27-Jun-16 23:11:51

Coup not couple!

howtorebuild Mon 27-Jun-16 23:14:13

Let him stand again. I won't vote for him again. Nice man, terrible potential as a PM. We have an election coming he can't win

oldestmumaintheworld Mon 27-Jun-16 23:14:48

I'm not torn at all about the coup. I've always thought that Jeremy Corbyn would be a useless leader and so he has proved. The sooner he goes the better for the Party. It can't come soon enough for me.

MachiKoro Mon 27-Jun-16 23:19:04

46 frontbenchers have now resigned.
The man will look like an idiot if he does not step down.

houseofpain Mon 27-Jun-16 23:24:37

He was never accepted by some MPs and it does feel as though they were just waiting to have a go at him (like they did with the by-elections). Cameron has resigned, Brexit going ahead, complete disarray and they're choosing now to push this through? This seems like a wasted opportunity and not thinking of the wider issues. I'm really disappointed in the resignations - seem completely orchestrated for maximum damage to JC which will also damage the party.

GooseRocks Mon 27-Jun-16 23:28:37

We need a strong leader now more than ever. Corbyn seems like a grumpy old geography teacher who can't really be arsed. His speech on Friday confirmed to me he isn't going to inspire anyone to vote for him. Specially when Nicola was up next and spoke so well (albeit lying through her teeth)

houseofpain Mon 27-Jun-16 23:30:28

And it is undemocratic.

TheDrsDocMartens Tue 28-Jun-16 06:40:12

I've not been convinced by Corbyn as a leader but it did often feel he was being honest/could tell when he wasn't which was refreshing in politics.
He wouldn't get Labour elected , he's not led them at a significant
time but also it isn't the time for a coup. The Tories are in hiding , this should be the time for showing the alternative.
Which appears to be Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron (at a push).

OliveBranchCollins Tue 28-Jun-16 13:09:23

Interesting article by melanie Philips today

niceguy2 Tue 28-Jun-16 13:22:04

I like Jeremy. He seems like a thoroughly decent chap despite the fact he's way more left wing than I am.

Unfortunately he's not leadership material.

A true leader needs to be able to persuade, inspire and erm...lead.

His performance during the referendum has been lacklustre at best. He certainly didn't look anything like someone who was inspiring his followers to go and vote the way he wanted them to. His speeches were carefully worded and as a result he gave very mixed messages.

We need a strong opposition now more than ever and I just don't think he's the right man for that job.

stubbornstains Tue 28-Jun-16 14:17:43

Thing is, I don't think there's any point in dragging the entire Labour Party into turmoil and disrepute - at a time when they could have made enormous political capital- when you don't even have a good candidate for an alternative leader.

I just don't know what the rebels are thinking. If it comes to another leadership election (and it probably will), Corbyn will walk it again. So, an enormous amount of pain for them (and the Labour party at large)- and no gain.

I am a big fan of Corbyn's- in fact, I've just joined the LP to vote for him- but I would have been swayed away from him by the right candidate.

When he was voted in, I was immensely cheered, and thought he would have several years to work on reforming the Labour party- bringing it back to basics, as it were. And that, during that time, either he'd prove himself to be a good leader, or someone else would rise up from the ranks to take over as candidate for 2020.

Thing is, even if there is a snap election, there is no one else there, is there? Sometimes you just have to stick with what you've got.

I just joined the LP to vote for him.

neolara Tue 28-Jun-16 17:24:10

If JC is re-elected, my prediction us that the Labour Party will split. If they dont, the Liberals will do v well in the. eneral election.

rollonthesummer Tue 28-Jun-16 17:28:29

I think the Labour Party needs to split. Left labour and right labour!

howtorebuild Tue 28-Jun-16 17:31:20

His new member, youth support can go with him. They don't turn up to meetings or do any practical work. They are too busy on social media being offended and taking selfies.

houseofpain Tue 28-Jun-16 18:20:48

I think that's really unfair. A lot of young people were out leafleting for the London mayoral campaign and Tooting by election. As for social media presence - I'm grateful for that given the constant media barrage against him and silencing of his supporters (and yes - I do mean silencing and thinking of the Guardian in particular here).

KeepsAwayTheNargles Tue 28-Jun-16 19:44:53

I'm very torn. I voted for him, and still think we could win a GE in 2020 with him as leader. I don't think we could win one next year with him though - not enough time to him to settle into the roll (which lets face it he had next to no preparation for) and prove people wrong.

Also in hindsight I don't think his personality is up for it. I still think he's great - but he's unyielding and used to being that way, he's been obstructive re meetings etc, and I'm just not sure after so long being how he is that he can make it work after all. He didn't intend to win the leadership contest!

If when there is a new leadership contest I won't vote for him again if there's a viable alternative. But all of my favourite to lead categorically won't/can't (Dan Jarvis, Alan Johnson, Dennis Skinner). I can't see anyone managing I except Andy Burnham and I can't see him running again.

I have many conflicting feelings at the moment hmm

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