Corbyn's Britain 2025

[Flashbangandgone]

I'm trying to envision what kind of Britain Jeremy Corbyn and his fellow hard-left socialists want to create? So I'm imagining that against the odds, he not only wins the Labour leadership campaign, but following a national wave of revulsion following 5 years of Tory rule, a Labour/Green gvt led by Corbyn, is elected in 2020, and again in 2025, so that my son, now aged 4 comes of age in 2029 after 9 years of socialist transformation...

He leaves home, applies for a social
housing which he duly gets (millions have been built since they came to power). He has his citizens wage to ensure he can live with dignity (enough for the basics with little for a few pints and a curry at the weekend) and housing benefit to cover all his housing costs. He fancies doing an art history degree - no problem as fully funded.... He doesn't like it so drops out and starts on a politics course instead. He moves in with his gf... They quickly have a couple of kids... No problem as moved to a 3 bedroom house, all paid for with HB and generous child and family benefits. He carries on with funded degree, popping into municipal sports facilities, available free of course, travelling by free public transport. He falls out with gf who moves back to family. He retains 3 bedroom house of course (no bedroom tax here) and graduates. Looks for jobs... Nothing in his specialist area. Not to worry, he has a fully maintained house and a xitizen's wage... He can take his time... 3 years pass.... By then he's too into his hobbies (funded by his student union - he's taking another degree) to be concerned with getting a job.

Nice world.... Utopia!!

[Tanith]

When I was 13, I wrote an essay all about the future of Britain under Mrs. Thatcher - she was then Prime Minister.

I based it on the Ancient Spartan regime, with children removed from families at age 7, following Mrs. T's declaration of No Society.

I think I got a B+ for it.

[Isitmebut]

Corbyn believes that when a country like the UK currently has £1,600,000,000,000 (£1.6 trillion) of National Debt, an additional £1,200,000,000,000 (£1.2 trillion) of unfunded State & Public Sector Pension Liabilities (to come out of annual government spending budgets when fall due) AND a current annual government budget deficit/overspend of £70 billion - any plans to sort ANY of that out, is called austerity.

Corbyns wants to spend countless £billions nationalising UK businesses, despite trying that in the 'good old days' which failed, needing constant injection of taxpayers money in the meantime.

Corbyn does not like the Private Sector/businesses that CREATES the several hundred £billion of tax revenues each year to fund the UK State's Public Sector, welfare, benefits, tax credits and pensions - and will drive them away with ever increasing taxes.

Corbyn believes there are £billions of businesses taxes not being paid that no one in the either the last Labour government or the Conservatives have bothered to collect.

Corbyn can not get his head around that between 50% & 60% of the largest companies in the UK represented within the FTSE 100 are foreign owned, so ONLY PAY taxes on their UK operations e.g. Boots, not the earnings on their GLOBAL consolidated earning.

In our words Corbyn is a prize prat that shouldn't be allowed a credit card never mind running a country's finances - as ALL the socialist La La Land dreams could not be afforded if the UK's current finances was half as bad - but as thanks to the last Labour administration it is not, and a country can't put its national credit card in a draw and hopes it goes away.

The day ANY socialist MP stops calling the trying to get the debts of the last socialism experiment under control and start to paying it down austerity, they might, just might have the makings of half a brain to run the UK.

[Flashbangandgone]

I wonder how much I'd have to earn to ensure my children were set up in a house for life (fully maintained and repaired), a modest income to get them by, fully paid sports/gym fees and transport costs. All the things a socialist utopia would promise. I'd need a salary well into six-figures, and yet this is what everyone would be entitled to get!

The argument that appears to be used is that people would be so much more productive if "valued" and "respected" by the state in this way. My closest experience of this was when I was at university.... I was particularly unproductive over this period.... the more I needed to stand on my own two feet and become responsible, the harder I worked..... Look at the "Made in Chelsea" types with all their privilege. Are they exceptional workers as a result? Erm.... not at all.

Don't get me wrong.... I believe there should be a safety net, and that people need to be treated fairly and with respect. I also believe that many of the benefit cuts are in the wrong places, with the working poor being hit disproportionately to richer pensioners.... But it's the "no ifs, no buts, no public sector cuts" brigade with their blanket refusal to countenance any reductions in public expenditure (unless it's Trident of course), and that everyone who doesn't agree is a heartless fascist (be they Harriet Harman or Nigel Farage) who hates the poor, that galls me.

[Andante57]

OP re your first post, if that's what it really will be like - free education, free house and so on - then it sounds pretty good. How long, though, before criticism of state becomes illegal, and anyone foolish enough to do so will be denounced by friends, relations and colleagues.

[Andante57]

Sorry, I posted it too early - I meant to say denounced to the equivalent of the Stasi.

[BMW6]

Just read Animal Farm and 1984 by Orwell and you'll get a good picture of Britain under a Socialist government over a long term.

[Tanith]

Both are written by a Socialist: George Orwell. The one novel is an allegory of Stalinism and the other is a warning against a Fascist society.

Neither are anything to do with Socialism.

[Isitmebut]

Andante ... re your "How long, though,..."

The pre Stasi questions could be;

'How long though ... will it take to fund/build this Utopia when already up to the ying yangs in national debt'.
and
'How long though ... could an anti capitalist/business regime financially support its Utopia, even if ever successfully built'.

[Flashbangandgone]

Indeed, the socialism of Corbyn and those that support him is fantastical... As evidenced by the lack of any proper socialist regime that hasn't developed into tyranny... I'm always amazed at how socialism, with it's supposed emphasis on equality and justice for the masses, invariably and very quickly ends up oppressing those same masses, often particularly cruelly (Stalin and Pol Pot immediately spring to mind).

[blacksunday]

Indeed, the socialism of Corbyn and those that support him is fantastical... As evidenced by the lack of any proper socialist regime that hasn't developed into tyranny... I'm always amazed at how socialism, with it's supposed emphasis on equality and justice for the masses, invariably and very quickly ends up oppressing those same masses, often particularly cruelly (Stalin and Pol Pot immediately spring to mind).

Corbyn isn't a 'Socialist' in the way you're using it. You're using it to mean 'Democratic Socialism'. You're still wrong, but that's not the point at the moment.

Corbyn is a social-democrat. You know, the type you find in almost all countries in Western europe, and whom have been in successful governments for decades?