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Gove as the Justice Secretary

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sunnydayinmay Sat 09-May-15 22:12:07

Remind me what the Justice Secretary does?

reynoldsnumber Sat 09-May-15 22:13:36

Oh dear. This is not good news.

Courts service
Legal aid (though it's agency)

Gove will be a huge liability.

WidowWadman Sat 09-May-15 22:15:13

Well, to be fair, he won't be able to do a worse job than Grayling.

OhYouBadBadKitten Sat 09-May-15 22:16:48

oh no sad
why couldnt they make him chief tea maker or something else harmless.

sunnydayinmay Sat 09-May-15 22:17:43

Quick google - three possible policies are:

1. eu referendum
2. greater powers to "snoop"
3. Pulling out of Human Rights Act

All Ministry of Justice stuff? Need a hard hitter in charge?

mamababa Sat 09-May-15 22:18:30

It's not the Police - they are under the Home Secretary.

Timeforabiscuit Sat 09-May-15 22:23:24

Anyone hearing about the London riots? Not on BBC news but is being reported by the mirror....

AuntieStella Sat 09-May-15 22:30:10

Demos (inc police injuries and arrests) are on BBC News 24 ticker (BBC 1 news only just starting, other channels don't have news on Saturdays). The defacing of the war memorial isn't mentioned, but the pix are on the online sites of print media.

I'm surprised they didn't leave Gove as Whip, because of what is needed when there is you job a slender majority.

SwedishEdith Sat 09-May-15 22:30:39

He's a Eurosceptic. I don't think this is good news. Actually, wherever he was wouldn't be good news

Timeforabiscuit Sat 09-May-15 22:31:42

At least it isn't health #everycloud

Damnautocorrect Sat 09-May-15 22:36:54

How the fuck has he still got a job?! What does he know about Cameron?!!

sassytheFIRST Sat 09-May-15 22:38:14

Wife is a daily mail columnist. Maybe Cameron needs to keep them sweet?

Ilikesweetpeas Sat 09-May-15 22:38:14

So relieved that he's not education again but worried about what he's going to do to another sector...

Damnautocorrect Sat 09-May-15 22:44:53

I don't understand how they flit from sector to sector, surely you need some sort of expertise in the field to make decisions on something?

headlesslambrini Sat 09-May-15 22:46:34

He will be in charge of replacing the Human Rights Act. Time to emigrate?

headlesslambrini Sat 09-May-15 22:56:17

Summary of HRAct:
Right to life
Freedom from torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Right to liberty and security
Freedom from slavery and forced labour
Right to a fair trial
No punishment without law
Respect for your private and family life, home and correspondence
Freedom of thought, belief and religion
Freedom of expression
Freedom of assembly and association
Right to marry and start a family
Protection from discrimination in respect of these rights and freedoms
Right to peaceful enjoyment of your property
Right to education
Right to participate in free elections

Im beginning to think that the Education dept was just a practice run on what damage he is really capable of.

UnsolvedMystery Sat 09-May-15 23:12:09

I despair
The man is a liability

wejammin Sun 10-May-15 00:07:07

As a legal aid lawyer I am in total despair. He's a dangerous radical.

starwarslegoboy Sun 10-May-15 17:35:24

Repeal of HRA was in their manifesto.

FennyBridges Sun 10-May-15 17:45:22

I thought they were simply coming out of the European Convention for HR so that illegal migrants and criminal foreign nationals couldn't appeal on so many of them to stay in the UK. I thought the regular person would be largely unaffected.

Am I wrong?

FennyBridges Sun 10-May-15 17:46:22

Oh I would like to say that I think Gove is the devil's own.

wejammin Sun 10-May-15 19:11:36

It depends what the alternative is, they want to change the HRA for a British bill of rights but it's not clear what rights this will enshrine.

Pulling out of ECHR would mean nobody bring able to bring a case against the uk govt for discrimination, the number of decisions that benefit poorly represented minorities far outweighs the perceived negative of being unable to deport suspects for trial where they may be tortured.

Maternity policy in the uk for example has been improved by ECHR precedents.

weeburrower1 Sun 10-May-15 19:16:14

He said in 1998 that hanging should never have been abolished. Between that and the scrapping of the HRA, it's kinda worrying.

WidowWadman Sun 10-May-15 21:13:07

fenny - under a government which seeks to deport first so that deported immigrants would only be allowed to appeal after they've been removed, it's pretty likely that not only irregular immigrants will be hit by the removal of human rights. And anyhow, the argument that it's only foreigners who need to worry so it's alright, is pretty yucky in my view.

We've already got a state which imprisons migrants for as long as it wants to, sometimes years, under the euphemism of "administrative detention".

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