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The EU. In or out?

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PetiteRaleuse Fri 27-Jun-14 21:23:53

If there were a snap vote tomorrow. In or out?

PetiteRaleuse Fri 27-Jun-14 21:24:12

And why, of course..

dashoflime Fri 27-Jun-14 21:27:23

All our best workers rights and anti discrimination law comes from Europe. I see the EU as generally progressive.

claig Fri 27-Jun-14 21:31:30

Out. Due to democracy and self-determination. I believe in nation states being the best means of safeguarding democracy and the rights of the people. Am not in favour of unaccountable, unelected elites in supranational bodies.

Shantishanti Fri 27-Jun-14 21:31:39

What dash said.

ExamStresses14 Fri 27-Jun-14 21:33:15

In, with renegotiated treaties. Personally the CRD could do with a vote option. Otherwise yes, it does us more good than harm.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 27-Jun-14 21:35:02

Interesting. claig not surprised by your answer of course.

I'm obviously IN. Can't believe Cameron is being so belligerent.

claig Fri 27-Jun-14 21:39:48

Cameron's strategy looks like a disaster and a lesson in how not to win friends and influence people. I can only assume that it was done in order to try and convince Eurosceptics and UKIP voters that Cameron shares some of their views. But I don't think many will believe that, so that would be a waste of time. The other alternative is that by going out on a limb like this, he hopes to extract concessions over what he is really interested in negotiating later on.

joanofarchitrave Fri 27-Jun-14 21:41:33

In, I think. I'm terrified of Europe breaking down into shifting alliance blocks as before WWI without some kind of structure around it.

claig Fri 27-Jun-14 22:32:35

I wouldn't be surprised if this has something to do with concessions for bankrs and the City of London etc. - possibly to do with the FTT (financial transaction tax) or Tobin tax.

The strange thing is that the Labour Party, the LibDems and Uncle Tom Cobbley all supported Cameron in his oppostion to Juncker. As Dennis Macshane says in "The Globalist", which is possibly a journal that globalists, federalists and socialists read rather than the common sense articles of the Daily Mail

"It is bewildering to see that Mr. Juncker has met a level of hostility from London without parallel as if he were the EU’s own Robert Mugabe or Kim Jong-un. This sentiment spans the political spectrum of the UK, from the Conservatives via the Liberal Democrats to Labour, all the way to the commentators of the Financial Times and the more predictable writers of the Murdoch-owned press."

I think the European federalists and socialists will now have to offer some concessions to Britain and they may be to do with the City of London.

AnythingNotEverything Fri 27-Jun-14 22:38:12


We're stronger together and there's barely anything dictated to us that we wouldn't do anyway, or that doesn't wins us favour in another policy that suits is but is not favoured by other countries. The EU is also a great peace keeper due to external trade agreements.

I'd like to see a pro European British government as we don't have much bargaining power at the European table if we send euro skeptics to represent our interests.

overthemill Fri 27-Jun-14 22:40:53

In. Basically agree with dash but am a federalist not the slightest but interested in being English or British. Like being European. Think the ability to move for work and education brilliant for our kids and enjoy the benefits of the legislation, the subsidies and grants ( ESF for example) the research and joint projects. Please let me stay a European!

OuchyMcOuch Fri 27-Jun-14 22:43:16

In, for much the same reasons as the others. I think we're stronger together.

I am curious as to how far they can stretch the European boundaries. Some former Russian states are keen on joining the EU but they're practically in Asia.

Youdontneedacriminallawyer Fri 27-Jun-14 22:44:12


PetiteRaleuse Fri 27-Jun-14 22:49:02

Two outs and quite a few more ins then.

claig Fri 27-Jun-14 22:52:35

But PetiteRaleuse, Mumsnet is not representative of the population as a whole as the UKIP Euro election showed.

PetiteRaleuse Fri 27-Jun-14 22:54:32

Never said it was claig

ElizabethJennings Fri 27-Jun-14 23:37:54

Can you put me down for shake it all about please

claig Sat 28-Jun-14 00:12:03

'Can you put me down for shake it all about please?'

So you're wth Cameron

WetAugust Sat 28-Jun-14 01:12:39


The EU will drag us into a war. They are meddling in the Ukraine crisis, which is antagonsing Russia.

Let's stop funding this vile institution and stop providing the funding that sustains it.


TravellingToad Sat 28-Jun-14 06:31:11


We are being dictated to by the eu

They have much too much power in our government and have taken away so much of our own powers.

niceguy2 Sat 28-Jun-14 08:53:35

Personally I would like us to be in but it does appear that as time goes on it's clear there will become a point where we will leave.

Right now I can't decide if Cameron did the right thing. Making a stand is one thing but politics is about the art of compromise. I can't help but wonder if the smart thing to do would have been to get concessions elsewhere in the face of defeat. It was widely reported that the EU were making noises about who we wanted to see in other positions so maybe it would have been better to get something.....rather than nothing.

The UK has never been comfortable with being in the EU and feel that the EU should stop at being a common market. In which case maybe the answer for the UK is to leave and remain a member of the EEA.

A 'club' where we have to abide by all the rules but not able to help set any rules.

Like I said earlier, I would like us to stay in. I honestly think the benefits outweigh the bad but it seems increasingly likely that we will leave.

FannyFifer Sat 28-Jun-14 08:55:06


I hope to god Scotland votes YES in September before we are dragged out the EU.

PetiteRaleuse Sat 28-Jun-14 09:01:13

But Scotland being able to rejoin the EU isn't a guarantee though.

Lottapianos Sat 28-Jun-14 09:05:03

Not a huge fan of the EU but I think we need to stay inside the tent on this one. We're not an empire anymore and need to join with other countries to stay strong

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