Ukip 'Most Favourably Regarded Party'

[claig]

Is there a quiet revolution going on despite the insults aimed at UKIP and their voters by some people in other parties who refer to good people as nutters, fruitcakes and racists?

How has this happened, how has UKIP become so popular despite the wishes of the great and the good and the TV propaganda of the paid-for media puppets?

I am bafffled and

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/ukip-most-favourably-regarded_n_4623876.html

[claig]

"Even though people might not be intending to vote Ukip, a new survey suggests they still hold them in higher regard than all of the other main parties.

A ComRes opinion poll for the Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror found 27 per cent said that they had a "favourable” view of them but only 19 per cent would vote for UKIP in a general election.

This is just ahead of the 26 per cent who are favourable to the Labour Party, 25 per cent to the Conservative Party and 14 per cent to the Liberal Democrats."

[LEMmingaround]

One of thier mp's has stated that gay marriage is responsible for the storms and floods

[claig]

LEM, you're right, they have some idiots in their party, but still the public vote them as most favourably regarded party. How come?

It's amazing.

[claig]

What does this say about the public's faith in the "established", "establishment" parties?

[claig]

Can't the media put some more polar bears on TV to turn the public away from the climate sceptic UKIP "heretics" the media so love to bash?

Is the game up for the puppets? Is it over?

[claig]

Will the Brussels elite be on the blower first thing Monday morning telling the media moguls to sort it out and make the public vote again until they get it right or is it over for the pampered, progressive elite?

[claig]

How long before the disenfranchised millions finally get a proportional voting system that reflects their real views? How long until the elite read the tea leaves and smell the coffee? Is it over? Have the people won?

[claig]

Or are these people nutters, fruitcakes and racists and do they have to get back in their box and vote for the puppets?

[joanofarchitrave]

oh claig STOP it

any party can look terrific if it doesn't actually have any power

[claig]

joan, I think it is significant that a party described by some influential politicians as containing some members or voters who are nutters, fruitcake and racists has scored so highly in the public's favourability rating.

Only 19% say they will vote UKIP, but we know that that is because of our electoral voting system which does not reflect the true will of the people.

It is clear that we will one day have to have a proprotioanl voting system or elections will become a farce.

[joanofarchitrave]

so you're assuming that the people's choice to give a massed raspberry to av a couple of years ago was a typo? does this version of 'the people' need to be deselected and another lot who vote in a way you prefer brought in?

[claig]

Paddy is obviously worried about the vote that the LibDems will get, but this is what he said a while back

"Ex-Lib Dem leader Paddy Ashdown has launched an extraordinary attack on the BBC, the NHS, the City and the media, warning ‘crumbling’ public trust risks triggering ‘public disturbance’.

Lord Ashdown, who is in charge of the party’s election campaign, claimed bankers have their ‘fingers in the till’, the BBC was ‘complicit’ in the Jimmy Savile scandal and nurses who were once thought to be angels ‘turn out to be witches’.

The 72-year-old said he is ‘surprised’ that there has not been more unrest in poor areas as a result of the recession, claiming a collapse in trust and morale has been caused by ‘the absence of hope’.

The Lib Dems have seen a collapse in their support since entering the coalition, falling from 22 per cent at the 2010 election to barely 10 per cent in polls now.

Lord Ashdown admitted that the party he led from 1998 to 1999 could no longer count on attracting protest votes, with those disenchanted with the main parties instead switching to the UK Independence Party.

But he warned that the rise of Nigel Farage’s UKIP was in part fuelled by a ‘the collapse of beliefs, the dissolution of institutions’ leading to people to ‘find an appeal in answers that are simplistic’."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533106/Nurses-angels-turn-witches-Paddy-Ashdown-warning-crumbling-trust-NHS-BBC-politics.html

I think he is right that the rise of UKIP is symptomatic of a huge level of distrust in the elites and their policies. They have failed to listen to the public, they have ignored the public and now the public see UKIP in a more favourable light than our previous rulers.

[claig]

'so you're assuming that the people's choice to give a massed raspberry to av a couple of years ago was a typo? does this version of 'the people' need to be deselected and another lot who vote in a way you prefer brought in?'

The public were not properly informed about AV and anyway AV was not the right system. That is why it failed. Next time they will be forced to offer something better than AV or disillusionment and apathy will grow and UKIP will increase even more in popularity.

We are on the verge of huge changes in our system despite the puppets and it will be the people who bring it about by not voting for the establishment parties.

[joanofarchitrave]

i think neo-fascism/Putinism is a more likely outcome of not voting than the single transferable vote.

[claig]

I don't think we will get that in Britain, but it is more possible in Europe.

Imagine if Scotland does actually go independent. I don't know if it will. What will happen to Labour in England then? Their arrogance will decline and they will then really be in favour of proportional voting or they may never sit on the government benches again.

[joanofarchitrave]

We are in Europe. And this is a country very comfortable with oligarchy.

I think Labour'd be more likely to take a different leaf out of the Lib Dem book - and in fact of the 80s Labour book - and aim to parlay their influence in urban centres into something more.

[claig]

Yes, we are in Europe, but we have a different history to other European countries.

We see Milliband courting the middle clases and the 'squeezed middle' now near the election just as his predecessor Brown tried to do before his election date. But it won't work because Middle England does not trust Labour who tend to look down on the Daily Mail and its Middle England readers.

We now have a 4th party with substantial support in terms of favourability for the first time in over a century and it is a party that appeals to Middle England. Labour will not easily be able to take those votes.

I think this poll is indicative of the huge changes that are about to come in our country due to the failure of our elites and our puppets.

[claig]

We have had reports that Cameron may have had a change of heart as the election approaches and apparently he may have called to 'cut the green crap' in desperation. But it is much more than 'green crap' that needs to be cut if they are to win over the people who have turned to UKIP.

There is so much spin and crap to cut that they'll need scissors in both hands and will need to be cutting day and night to win the people back. And as for One Nation Labour, well I don't think they have enough time to cut the amount of crap that they need to cut.

[claig]

It's over for the puppets. It's a New Year. Raise a cheer. The times are a changing'. The answer is not blowing in the windmills. The writing's on the wall, the puppets who ignored the people will fall.

[westl]

'some members or voters who are nutters, fruitcake and racists '

I think that describes all the political parties doesn't it? The 'gay marriage caused the floods' councillor (he's not an MP) has only recently transferred over to UKIP from the Conservatives.

[claig]

westl, there are certainly idiots in all parties and in some more than others.

[Isitmebut]

No wonder Ukip are ‘more popular’ than the established parties; they have thrown away their 2010 general election manifesto and are TELLING THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR – pretending they are now ‘touchy feelie’ moderate.

So quite why Labour or Lib Dem voters would ‘like’ Ukip, amazes me.

Take the High Speed Train 2 project, Ukip is totally against it linking the large northern cities to London, as we cannot afford it, but below was their 2010 train policy – maybe they are confident of the North of England vote, so NOW aiming for the rural areas affected by HR2.
• “Ensure "comprehensive electrification" of rail lines and introduce three high-speed lines linking London to the Midlands, northern England and Birmingham”


Take taxes, Ukip stood for a FLAT RATE of tax and national insurance of 31p, you imagine if the Tories tried to bring that in, in order ‘to help the rich’.


Take the Public Sector, apart from cutting back their pensions to private sector levels, how about this for reduced numbers.

• “Reduce public sector to 1997 size, diverting two million jobs to manufacturing and industry”


Takes schools, with more grammar schools, this is more along Tory lines

• “Offer all parents school vouchers, useable for state, private or faith schools


If anyone cares, you won’t find it on their website but can see for yourself, via a BBC website, giving the salient features of the 2010 manifesto.
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8617187.stm

[claig]

Good points Isitmebut, UKIP have adapted and changed and listened to the public mood.

But the public doesn't even know what most of their policies are and it doesn't really care as long as they are different from the policies of the puppets.

[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight]

It's because they sit in pubs befriending all the old guard Tory die hards with tales how how they'll out Tory the Tories, yet manage to campaign locally, the friends they make in the pubs alert them to local issues, they go all out to get them dealt with, or to have a UKIP representative at any meeting to do with said problem, basically they have many fingers in many pies and manage to dodge questions about their actual policies.
They appeal to the 'working bigot man who thinks his taxes get squandered on benefits, he will soon be out of a job because of the 'immigrants'

Ect ect

So UKIP are supposed to come in and fix everything theoretically
I've seen them on Facebook, you get local pages, they comment with the crowd on every issue, have UKIP in their user names on fb and twitter.
So they're seen and heard.
I think that about covers it.
People are so sick of the main three, every now and again they protest vote and UKIP is hoping to grab the protest voters.

[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight]

I've seen drafts of updated policy
The family one isn't too bad, no doubt unworkable in its current form without a shit heap of changes
Disability policy is being drafted at the moment I've heard, it may have been completed, it's been a few months since I last spoke to the person concerned.
They've realised they need to get policies in place after being criticised for not having any.

Still think bawbag accurately describes Farage though.