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Any UKIP supporters on here? What exactly are you voting for?

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chicaguapa Fri 03-May-13 07:44:45

I confess I don't know what the UKIP policies are, but wondered if the people voting for them could explain to me what they are please. Thanks.

tiggytape Fri 03-May-13 08:32:48

We're not voting in these elections but I am nosey interested so if people bring it up I am happy to be nosier listen.

I know a few Labour and Tory voters who have both been of the firm opinion that this time they are voting against the Tories (for obvious reasons due to austerity) or against Labour who they blame for not coming up with any alternatives that anyone seems to know about.

Most are also more anti-EU than ever. The EU isn't exactly confidence inspiring at the moment and many people seem to think things are bad enough here as it is without getting any closer to countries that are even worse off than we are.
Plus immigration numbers. Purely the numbers from what people have said as opposed to racist rants (I thankfully haven't had any of those). We're in London and have a school place crisis (100,000+ children will be without a place soon) and the elections have taken place just after thousands of people have found out they can't get into their local primary schools as they are all full up. It is bad timing in that sense.

It seems to be a protest vote for many rather than active UKIP support but UKIP do seem to have an appeal to both Labour and Tory voters (for differing reasons). In the past, protest votes have mainly hindered one main party only. Somehow UKIP seem to appeal to the disaffected on all sides which is why they are now the second party in some urban Labour areas as well as Tory ones I guess. I wasn't surprised to hear about the shift towards them knowing how many people have said they're voting for them.

meddie Fri 03-May-13 09:43:37

My mum will be voting UKIP (she is in her late 60's). Nothing I can say to her will sway her. Her reasons are all those spouted by the typical Daily mail reader. You may see a pattern,

1) Immigration taking traditional working class jobs and pushing down wages.
2) Immigrants using our NHS.
3) Immigrants forcing their culture onto us at the expense of english culture.
4) Not being allowed to follow traditional english ways of living without fear of offending immigrants.
5) Immigrants buying up the housing stock and becoming BTL landlords and charging high prices for squalid properties
6)Immigrants are corrupt and fiddling benefits or just claiming benefits despite not contributing to the pot.
7) 'thousands' of immigrants sending Child benefit back to their countries and they probably don't even have kids (her exact words)
5) EU taking all our money and forcing stupid rules on us.

None of the above are my views, nothing I can say, or figures I give her will alter her perception. Every news article about a large family of Somalians in a posh London house reinforces her beliefs.

She was always a traditional labour supporter, she doesnt recognise that party any more and feels the 3 major party's are liars and cheats and corrupt. She doesnt care about any of the policies that affect working women or the disabled because she is neither of those.

Ukip have spoken to her in a way no other party has, because she is uninformed, disinterested in actually finding the truth and believes everything the DM says. She is their prime target

tiggytape Fri 03-May-13 09:55:13

Many voters in the UK are older voters - the % of voters over 55 is growing very quickly.
Older voters are more likely to turn out to vote (much more likely in the case of over 65's)

A recent SAGA survey showed:
UKIP is supported by 1/5 older people
UKIP is now the second favourite party of older people (only the Tories get more support from that age group)
UKIP is supported by 21% of older men

Given the extent of 'grey power' in the UK, it is not surprising that their shift to UKIP has had such a strong influence on outcomes

lainiekazan Fri 03-May-13 09:55:51

Where I live UKIP have done very well - and there are barely any immigrants here.

I think people feel that both main parties are high-handed and London-centric. Neither side seems to offer any charismatic leadership option which, rightly or wrongly, people favour.

AnnieLobeseder Fri 03-May-13 10:01:37

I know some people who are voting UKIP as a protest vote against all the other otions (who do indeed suck), but this really worries me. If enough people do it, they may actually gain some power. My DH is an immigrant, they have awful hateful policies against the disabled (even more so than the Tories! shock.

I wish with all my heart that there was actually a viable alternative to the Tories and Labour. A few of us hoped that the Lib Dems would step up in the last election, but look how that went. hmm

It's scary that people are so desperate for change that they are turning to a party with very worrying policies indeed.

CogitoErgoSometimes Fri 03-May-13 10:10:53

I'm not a UKIP supporter and was horrified when my best friend said she was voting for them in Lincolnshire because 'there are too many foreigners'....

tiggytape Fri 03-May-13 10:13:44

Annie - UKIP as a universal protest vote is new.
Protest voting is normally more divided. Some who were disaffected with the main parties voted Green or UKIP or BNP or even Lib Dem.
Now it seems that disaffected people on the left and the right have both turned to UKIP. Normally disaffected Tories would never go the same way as disaffected Labour supporters but this time they have.

Protest votes mid term (i.e. long before a General Election) though are seen more of a way to shake up the establishment. To force Labour to talk tougher on immigration as the leaders have started to do. Or get the Tories to win back their supporters by talking up the EU referendum.
Protest swings like this don't mean we'll be in a UKIP coalition by 2015. In general elections, people tend to go back to voting for their main parties again especially if the mid term surprises have forced Labour and Tories to address the issues bothering people more clearly.

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief Fri 03-May-13 10:18:40

I only know a few. They are all older people and their beef is with the EU. They basically want to be like Switzerland.

Blueskiesandbuttercups Fri 03-May-13 10:21:05

We've been labour,lib dem for a longtime.Parents Tories.

All of us were looking at Ukip.

Dp and I for a variety of reasons.

First- there is nobody else to vote for.Lib Dems lied to us and will never get our vote again(although Vince Cable as leader would lead to us at least maybe considering them).Labour's economic policy and weak leadership are a deep concern.Tories hammer the middle and families,are very anti Sahp and just look after their voters.

We are also fed up with Eton/ Oxbridge privileged politicians.Sooooo utterly sick of them.

The patronising attitude towards Farage by the Tories.

Anything that would annoy the Tories is a plus.

The Europe issue.

We are looking for a party that helps the middle.

Ukip would get rid of Uni fees.

We felt (dp and I) Ukip was a best fit.

My parents are livid with the Tories for hammering families,their anti Sahp stance,the CB unfairness,the way they look after their own,their lack of thought put into all policies,lack of growth,libraries etc.

Out of all of us I was the only one that chickened out of voting Ukip. I didn't like the Ukip flyer.All it said was that they'd help high street businessconfused,I want a bit more flesh on their policies.So voted Green.

Blueskiesandbuttercups Fri 03-May-13 10:22:30

Other 3 all voted Ukip.

Viviennemary Fri 03-May-13 10:24:45

I think the main appeal is that they are not Conservative, Labour or LD. A lot of people feel their interests are not being served by those parties. LD was a reasonable alternative until their total lies about student loans.

AnnieLobeseder Fri 03-May-13 10:25:20

Blueskies' post sums up my assumptions about why people are voting UKIP. There are just no other options left. But really.... UKIP? They are BNP-lite!

Impala77 Fri 03-May-13 10:28:22

I'm 37 and I have voted UKIP because the other mainstream parties don,t listen to the people. I am not racist and it isn't racist to worry about the increasing population of this tiny country, my child can't get into the local school, there are no jobs, no houses and the nhs is swamped. These are REAL problems, and I personally worry for my childrens future in this country. But as soon as you mention immigration someone shouts you down as a dirty filthy bigot or racist!!! I'm sick of it to be honest and now all of a sudden UKIP are being portrayed as racists because the other parties are scared that they are getting votes and instead of asking themselves why? they just use the good old racism card to shut down any debate.

tiggytape Fri 03-May-13 10:33:17

Actually I think the 'BNP'lite' headlines have harmed the other parties more than UKIP

Labour has come out and said immigration policy was badly handled when they were in power and people are right to be concerned about it. They have outlined the tougher measures they will take on this issue. It is now O.K for people to say they are concerned about the effects on the economy and they are getting fed up with the hint that any interest or opinion on immigration controls (which every country in the world has!) equates to being a racist.

Ditto comments about clowns and loonies and all the rest. The Tories did themselves no favours by fighting UKIP on the basis that anyone who votes for them is a racist nutter. People don't like being talked down to or having mud slinging replace policy debates.

Blueskiesandbuttercups Fri 03-May-13 10:35:36

Impala I totally agree.

I also have to say when Farage is interviewed he is the only one ever to actually answer a question.Utterly sick of the Condems non answering.

Families and young people are getting hammered,if we are to compete with the grey vote and get policies that help us we all have to vote.

Sorry but Ukip offer the best future for my children at the moment.

If further down the line when flesh is put on their policies I see things of deep concern they won't get my vote.At the moment I'm seeing a lot I do like( alongside smears )so I'm proceeding slow but cautious.

somebloke123 Fri 03-May-13 10:35:56

I am reminded of a definition of racist by the US economist Thomas Sowell (who himself happens to be black) as "a conservative who is winning an argument with a liberal".

tribpot Fri 03-May-13 10:38:18

Not being allowed to follow traditional english ways of living without fear of offending immigrants.

I hadn't realised that morris dancing and dry stone walling were under such threat. This is good to know.

LtEveDallas Fri 03-May-13 10:44:26

I didn't and wouldn't vote UKIP. I'm female, with a female DSD and female DD. I owe it to them NOT to vote for a party that will make things measurably WORSE to be a woman in the workplace.

(and I don't understand why any female would TBH)

tiggytape Fri 03-May-13 10:47:07

somebloke - yes I think that is exactly the point.
In the last GE campaign, the Mrs Duffy-gate incident focused a lot of minds. Basically many people are worried about immigration and population numbers in general because of all sorts of problems that come to the fore in hard economic times.

They were pretty horrified or upset that expressing such concerns leads them to be dismissed as bigots and racists.

The term racist (I know GB didn't actually say that word) is a powerful and awful label to apply to somebody and a bunch of Westminster politicians telling a large chunk of society that they're mindless bigots doesn't tend to win votes. More than half of people polled recently in fact worry about the effects of immigration so to write them all off as loons (or worse) doesn't seem to be a great tactic in winning support.

wasabipeanut Fri 03-May-13 10:49:48

A woman who voted UKIP called in to The Wright Stuff and opened the conversation with 'I'm not a racialist Mathew but...." That says plenty I think.

I can see exactly how UKIP have mopped up the protest vote and I do think the Tories cocked up by insulting them in the way they did. However their policies (if anybody who voted for them actually cared about them) are barking. Quadrupling defence spending? Restoring universal CB? Lovely but who will pay? If you subject their policies to the slightest scrutiny you see huge black holes. Not even Labour are saying they would spend that much money!

I'm sorry but it's just, well, silly. The fact that they did as well as they seem to have done is due to the dismal state of the other parties. It's all utterly depressing.

RooneyMara Fri 03-May-13 10:50:01

any vote that's not for the conservatives is a good vote, unless it's a vote for ukip, in which case that's just stupid.

Everyone knows what they really stand for. the rest is spin to make them sound reasonable.

But people want to believe it because the other options are a bit shit.

I voted labour fwiw

tiggytape Fri 03-May-13 10:50:21

Or as Alexis McAvoy put it (a Conservative councillor from Hampshire County Council who lost her seat to UKIP last night):

"David Cameron says he’ll have a referendum, but no-one believes a word he says. I don’t believe a word he says, and I’m a lifelong Conservative. For some unknown reason, David Cameron and his advisers seem to think that a lot of Conservative voters’ values are out-of-date and need to be modernised and thrown out."

And she's a Tory!

Blueskiesandbuttercups Fri 03-May-13 10:51:13

LtEve how will they make things worse in the workplace?<interested>

Have to say the Condems have made things worse for women who want a career break in order to be a Sahp. I want my dd to have a choice.

Blueskiesandbuttercups Fri 03-May-13 10:53:42

Was the universal CB was a huge Ukip tick for all of us.

The utter unfair,bonkers policy the Tories bought in saves buggar all.

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