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UKIP second in Eastleigh...anyone from Eastleigh care to comment?

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SequinsOfEvents Fri 01-Mar-13 04:04:40

Bit tongue in cheek but wowsers! 11,000 votes! Crikey!

I am living abroad at the moment and am pleased to be! Can't come home with current political depressing

Talkinpeace Wed 06-Mar-13 14:35:55

for a year ....
so can many immigrants ....

sorry but this is going back to Feudal times - restricting the free movement of people within an area

what is your diameter ?
by county, by borough

kite flying, unenforceable rubbish


alemci Wed 06-Mar-13 16:34:57

Yes I think priority should definitely have been placed on the people who have lived in the area and possibly their parents/family etc have paid the council tax/rates to the local authority.

I have heard from so many different sources that this hasn't been the case with local housing departments and I think the locals have been discriminated against. What other country would allow people who have no ties with GB to be put first or before people who had been on the housing list for years'?

Why has this taken so long to realise and why was it ever allowed in the first place. No wonder there is such a housing shortage and high property prices.

olgaga Wed 06-Mar-13 22:47:37

Yes but without additional costly layers of bureaucracy and inconvenience, and identity cards, would any of that be achieved?

Funny how there was a massive hoo-ha not so long ago over the subject of ID cards. Now we suddenly seem to be quite receptive to the idea of having to show proof of identity!

lrichmondgabber Thu 07-Mar-13 12:13:57

I see a possible Labour led Coalition after the general election. Suit Lib-Dem activists better

niceguy2 Thu 07-Mar-13 14:36:57

sorry but this is going back to Feudal times - restricting the free movement of people within an area

What rubbish. Noone is saying you can't move. If you want to move you are completely free to do so. The only difference is that the taxpayer won't fund said move.

Funny how there was a massive hoo-ha not so long ago over the subject of ID cards. Now we suddenly seem to be quite receptive to the idea of having to show proof of identity!

Personally I think ID cards are a sensible thing to have. I objected to the last ID card system quite simply because it was stupid and too expensive.

The proposed system was going to cost £5.6billion. And we all know what happens to the costs of govt projects. They never come in under budget. We were going to have to store our biometrics onto the card. OK....except noone but only select govt agencies was going to have the biometric readers. So you go into a bank or take out a mobile phone contract. Proof of ID was going to be based upon the photo! So in my view £5.6 billion+ was not a sensible use of money to get a card which 99.9% of the time I'd have to rely on the photo anyway.

Propose a sensibly priced system and I'd be all for it.

Toadinthehole Sat 09-Mar-13 05:56:10

I reckon it'll be LD&Lab in government after the next election. Sounds odd but here's why.

Labour will take the LD vote in every constituency it holds or is close to gaining. So it will gain marginals from the Tories and the LDs.

The LDs will mostly hold off the Tories in the south, aided by a doubling in the UKIP vote and some tactical votes from Labour supporters. Their vote will collapse elsewhere.

In Scotland the SNP will increase their vote but make no gains, while the Tories will lose their single seat there.

Toad has spoken.

DolomitesDonkey Sat 09-Mar-13 06:19:34

What are the actual figures for welfare consumption from non-UK nationals?

I ask because I live in NL which this week released figures indicating that there are currently 600,000 registered EU workers here, 150,000 from "former eastern block". Of these (600k), only 21,000 are claiming welfare! That is an incredibly low figure - far lower than the general population I'm sure!

We have ID cards here - and at first I HATED them, felt it was an intrusion on my personal life and circumnavigated (i.e., didn't get one!) for the best part of a decade. Good luck getting access to services without evidence you're entitled.

vesela Sat 09-Mar-13 09:34:52

Dolomites Donkey - the figures from February 2011 are that 38,000 EU nationals are claiming JSA, of which 13,000 are from countries that joined in 2004 or later.

That concerns JSA only, of course - as we know, there are many people who can't stomach the fact that someone from outside the UK is claiming child benefit.

Toad - sounds very likely to me!

alemci - They do have ties with GB. They're in the EU.

alemci Sat 09-Mar-13 12:14:31

yes I know Vesela but I still think the people who live in the area and have been paying council taxes or their parents have should get priority in social housing not newcomers who have been in the country for a short while. This is what has partly caused such as housing shortage in social/council housing.

I am not saying this is necessarily caused by EU countries either

fiftyval Sat 09-Mar-13 12:46:43

alemci - our district council has recently introduced a policy of adjusting the housing list by prioritising people with a local connection. They had figures which showed that over 25% of people on the exisiting list had no local connection whatsoever. Part of the problem of managing the list is that people can get themselves on it via the internet and alot of people just add themselves on regardless of the likelihood of getting a house ( you have to bid when houses come up and then your 'banding' is looked at to decide who gets the house). Many people don't bother bidding but remain on the list.

vesela Sat 09-Mar-13 22:22:51

Social housing is one of the biggest factors limiting labour mobility as it is - why make it worse by strengthening the need for a local connection?

niceguy2 Sun 10-Mar-13 00:20:53

there are many people who can't stomach the fact that someone from outside the UK is claiming child benefit.

Unfortunately we have a lot of stupid people in this country.

DolomitesDonkey Sun 10-Mar-13 09:15:50

Not EU-related, but has anyone else seen the figures about those claiming UK pensions who are aged over 100? Over a million a week going to countries for OAP's over 100. Incredible. Either a few death certificates need to be chased up or we need to learn how they're all so damned healthy! wink

ironman Wed 13-Mar-13 09:13:44

The Tories used UKIP colours on the leaflets in the Eastleigh election, did anyone else notice? Still did not do them any good! I don't agree this was a protest vote, as 900,000 voted UKIP in the last election. Many people are sick and tired of the three main parties, and as many agree with the views of UKIP
(particularly on immigration) the electorate will vote for them more and more in the coming years.

Toadinthehole Mon 15-Apr-13 06:19:19

I expect the UKIP vote will increase a bit, but it won't be anything like their share of the vote for Euro elections. By-elections always see a big protest vote, because people who vote in them aren't voting for a new government. Sure, UKIP did well in Eastleigh. Respect have also done well in by-elections: so, I recollect, did the BNP some years ago.

UKIP support won't get unlocked without a change to Britain's electoral system. Given that even AV - the very modest alternative to FPTP - was rejected, there isn't going to be any change any time soon. Most UKIP sympathisers will simply back the Tories because they won't believe that the UKIP candidate will be at all likely to win. Also, most UKIP candidates won't have many credentials: the party will probably put up whoever it can get to stand.

I will laugh and laugh and laugh if the Tories' vote gets split by UKIP. The Tories were against AV because they knew they had the most to lose from it - LD/Lab support swing voters being far more numerous than LD/Con. If AV had been adopted, UKIP first preference votes would mostly have redistributed to the Tories. As it is, any increase in the UKIP vote will simply be at Tory expense, and (hopefully) cost them seats.

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