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Only you can close the Atos slaughterhouse

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kimorama Sat 23-Feb-13 11:49:36

Monday 25th Channel 4 TV doing disability cock up mess. 8pm

2old2beamum Wed 20-Feb-13 15:36:56

Thought this might be the right place to post.

2nd DD has just (or I did) had the dreaded 'phonecall from the Job Centre the ATOS form for ESA is on its way!! After 1st dd's disaster is there anyone who can give me some pointers to avoid this again.
Have asked cardiologist for a letter plus SW and her key worker.

HubrisPolice Tue 19-Feb-13 15:05:14

Thanks for this, ttosca. I have some ATOS material I've been careful to collect during medicals, and no home for it to go to. I'll see which of your links can make the best use for it.

You've posted this at exactly the right time for me.

ttosca Tue 19-Feb-13 14:46:48

From the Atos Miracles facebook page:

This was posted:


Sonia Poulton

Afternoon Campers....I would be grateful if you would please post and paste this request wherever you can, many thanks...

I still need the following for ITN news reports:

Current and former ATOS employees

Doctors who oppose WCA and DWP handling of disabled and sick people

... Families who have children with ME and have had their children removed - temporarily - by Social Services.

Could all be confidential and anonymous on screen...those are the precise requirements of my producers. I say that because sometimes people say in response to these requests: I don't have that but I have this....'

Many thanks lovelies! x


She can be reached here:

Fanjango Sun 17-Feb-13 11:06:28

Carer, auto correct fail

Fanjango Sun 17-Feb-13 11:05:42

A friend of mine was a career to her husband and suffered severe depression. Two days after the letter that told her she must go to work she committed suicide. Atos are totally to blame, mental health cannot be assessed by ability to walk or lift a chair!

MiniTheMinx Sun 17-Feb-13 10:54:33

A friend was assessed and it was found that she had nill points. The accompanying letter talks in terms of capacity to work rather than incapacity to work. Its all in the very clever use of language isn't it. She isn't ill, she is simply not well??????

All benefits stopped with the end result that the social work dept has had to feed her children this week. She now has rent arrears, through no fault of her own. Bastards.

Corygal Sat 16-Feb-13 18:59:09

Evil freaks, the lot of them.

crazynanna Fri 15-Feb-13 22:33:41

ATOS are bastards. IMO.

ttosca Fri 15-Feb-13 22:30:44


2old2beamum Fri 15-Feb-13 21:23:12

ttosca I will but however next DD also Downs (just opened today's post) has now started the ESA process. It wears you down please excuse pun not intended.
Jake as you say it is not about politics it is about vulnerable people who have no voice.

Hassled Fri 15-Feb-13 21:07:09

A colleague with bowel cancer was declared fit for work and declined medical retirement by the shower of incompetent shites that are ATOS recently - will point her in the direction of Samuel Miller. At her appeal the HR representative was telling me about cases she, personally, had come across (large public sector organisation) where ATOS had sent people off as fit and they had subsequently died. It is an absolute disgrace.

ttosca Fri 15-Feb-13 21:01:25

I'm glad you guys care about this. Maybe some people choose to ignore it because they don't personally know anyone who might be affected by Atos.

It's a scandal that this is happening, and it's killing disabled people.


Why don't you send it an email to the address given above in the article?

So don’t leave it to somebody else. If you have been affected, get your story in to Mr Miller. You could also contact your local news media and get them to run a story about this, with his email contact details:

JakeBullet Fri 15-Feb-13 19:40:01

Exactly 2bean and yet the few people on this thread have yawned and gone n about the OP's politics.

Who cares about the politics when stupid decisions like this are being made?

2old2beamum Fri 15-Feb-13 19:35:22

DD Down Syndrome summoned to ATOS office 30 miles away @9.20 First catch 4 buses. I obviously took her. Was interviewed for 30 mins. She has severe cardiac problems pacemaker, poorly controlled asthma....she was put in WRAG.
I appealed and won. What a waste of money.
Fortunately I was the only one who was stressed!!

JakeBullet Fri 15-Feb-13 18:01:32

Sorry but I think ATOS is a disgrace...please read some of the case studies before dismissing ttosca or pondering on her politics.

I couldn't give a shit who is in Government as I would oppose this regime having seen the issues my very sick friend has gone through with them. The process is flawed and it needs taking up,and fighting, nurses carry out the assessments but a non medical decision maker has the final say over who is or is not fit for work. Would YOU be happy if this was one of your loved ones potentially being judged?
Would YOU be happy if a relative found "fit for work" subsequently died?
Or would you say "this Government wouldn't do that to my loved one"?

Don't be so blinkered folks, ATOS is very real and in too many cases is getting things VERY wrong,

ttosca Fri 15-Feb-13 17:52:21

Here are some stories from nurses who have worked at Atos:

Ex Atos Nurse Reveals The Real Inside Story….

Atos nurses were told: ‘You’re too nice to work here’


somebloke123 Thu 14-Feb-13 10:30:32


(=argumentum ad zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....)

ttosca Wed 13-Feb-13 17:23:51

Ooh, thanks for the another example of logical fallacies!


16. APPEAL TO THE CROWD: (ad populum or playing to the gallery) refers to popular opinion or majority sentiment in order to provide support for a claim. Often the "common man" or "common sense" provides the basis for the claim.

example: all I can say is that if living together is immoral, then I have plenty of company.

example: Professor Windplenty's test was extremely unfair. Just ask anyone who took it.

CogitoErgoSometimes Wed 13-Feb-13 17:13:36

Oh spare me your lazy copy/pastes.... I think the people on MN are intelligent enough to see through what you're doing.

ttosca Wed 13-Feb-13 17:02:30

Sometimes it is right and proper to have an 'unbalanced' view of things: disabled people dying after having their support taking away is one of those things.

Being 'balanced' (i.e. taking the middle road) doesn't necessarily make ones opinion any better or any more correct. This is the fallacy of 'Argument to moderation':


Argument to moderation (Latin: argumentum ad temperantiam; also known as [argument from] middle ground, false compromise, gray fallacy and the golden mean fallacy)[1] is an informal fallacy which asserts that the truth can be found as a compromise between two opposite positions. This fallacy's opposite is the false dilemma.

As Vladimir Bukovsky puts it, the middle ground between the Big Lie of Soviet propaganda and the truth is a lie, and one should not be looking for a middle ground between disinformation and information.[2] According to him, people from the Western pluralistic civilization are more prone to this fallacy because they are used to resolving problems by making compromises and accepting alternative interpretations, unlike Russians who are looking for the absolute truth.

An individual demonstrating this false compromise fallacy implies that the positions being considered represent extremes of a continuum of opinions, and that such extremes are always wrong, and the middle ground is always correct.[1] This is not always the case. Sometimes only X or Y is acceptable, with no middle ground possible. Additionally, the middle ground fallacy allows any position to be invalidated, even those that have been reached by previous applications of the same method; all one must do is present yet another, radically opposed position, and the middle-ground compromise will be forced closer to that position. In politics, this is part of the basis behind Overton window theory.

It is important to note that this does not mean the middle ground position is a bad strategy, or even incorrect; only that the fact that it is moderate cannot be used as evidence of its truthfulness.

CogitoErgoSometimes Wed 13-Feb-13 16:33:15

Accuse me of having a one-sided view but your opinions are so evenly balanced.... I wonder which way your propaganda politics lie.... hmm

ttosca Wed 13-Feb-13 15:42:21

If any MP, government representative or stooge tells you the UK is bankrupt, or close to it, ask them why we can afford to pay Thierry Breton £1.9 million to preside over a company running a flawed system that leads to the deaths of 73 of us every week.

Mr Breton is the boss of Atos, the company that has been “reassessing” people who used to be on Incapacity Benefit, in a bid to clear the vast majority of them from the government’s welfare benefit bill within a year of assessment.

Only between 12-13 per cent of those who go through the Atos ‘work capability assessment’ keep their benefits indefinitely, going through to the ‘support group’ of the new Employment and Support Allowance. This means they have conditions which mean they will never be able to work in any way – and, in practice, many are likely to die in the near future.

Atos and the Department for Work and Pensions say this figure should be 30 per cent, but that seems more likely to be the percentage transferred from IB. In regard to new cases, I’ll stick with what the Atos trainer said on Channel 4′s Dispatches documentary in July.

The others are either put into a ‘work-related activity’ group and told to get better within 12 months, or marked ‘fit for work’ and told to get looking for a job. These are where the controversial deaths take place, due to stress exacerbating people’s illnesses or suicide because they cannot see a way to go on.

For this, Mr Breton is being paid around £1 million per year. His bonus – nearly another £1 million – means he pocketed £1.9 million in total (before tax – although he could always seed it away in one of the tax havens the government is assiduously failing to close down).

This is why disability specialist Samuel Miller needs to hear from people whose family members or friends have suffered at the hands of Mr Breton’s company. Mr Miller is putting together a file of atrocities which he intends to send to the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights at the United Nations.

The aim is to show that austerity measures are violating British people’s human rights. His best hope is in receiving coroners’ reports where the cause of death is found to be destitution and/or suicide.

He can’t do this on his own.

I reported Mr Miller’s plan last week and as a result he has received some responses – but many more are needed. He needs you to get in touch – if you have been affected.

If nobody does anything, the government will merrily assume it is right to persist with a regime that leads to 73 deaths, of your loved ones, every week. And they will continue. If you are disabled, you may be next.

So don’t leave it to somebody else. If you have been affected, get your story in to Mr Miller. You could also contact your local news media and get them to run a story about this, with his email contact details:

If they don’t run anything, ask them why. There does seem to be a media blackout and this must be overcome as well.

Otherwise you, or someone you know, could end up like Susan Atkinson, who died of cancer last year, aged 37, after Atos told her she was fit for work.

A friend of hers, Donna Thornton, wrote: “I’m not saying they caused her death but they did add more stress and worry, which I do think helped her give up the fight.

“Her quality of life before she died was so very sad for me to watch – instead of her last few weeks of life being happy ones, they were sad and upsetting. I couldn’t even help her as I was going through the same.”

Donna, who has been in three car crashes, has fibromyalgia, nerve damage, has had shingles and suffers depression, wrote: “I just received a letter saying I have got to got to court this time to appeal.

“Not only do I feel like a criminal but feel sick [that] I’ve got to go through all this to prove I am sick and disabled.

“This system is so wrong; they have got me in so much debt over the past two years, I now want to give up the fight. Life is hard enough being sick, never mind going through all this.

“Please help before I end up on Atos’ death list.”

Is this familiar?

It’s not just the Atos assessments that are pushing people to the brink, of course. How many of you will be affected by the so-called ‘bedroom tax’?

Sue McCafferty will. She wrote: “As someone who contracted Hepatitis C from a blood transfusion many years ago my health is deteriorating rapidly… One of the main side-effects is suicidal feelings so the doctors are very cautious about treating anyone who is currently suffering from depression.

“I was due to have the treatment [Interferon, which has severe side-effects] this year but since I found out about the bedroom tax, and realised the possible consequences, my peace of mind has been taken from me and I don’t feel mentally stable enough to consider starting the treatment now… Nor does my Consultant since he became aware of how stressed I am. I wake up every day thinking the home I have lived in for over 25 years could be taken from me if I can’t afford the extra rent.

“I have become withdrawn and suicidal… I am one of many who may slip out of view, whose invisibility means they are not accounted for… I hold this Government entirely responsible for the deterioration in my physical and mental health; a deterioration which has lead to me having to cancel the treatment which could prolong my life.”

Will you be affected by the ‘bedroom tax’ too?

Pressure from the public can stop the insanity of Iain Duncan Smith’s Department for Work and Pensions, and the other government “reforms” (what a cheek, to suggest changes that will ruin the lives of millions of people are improvements).

But it’s not going to happen if people can’t be bothered to lift a finger.

All it takes is an email. If you can read this, surely you can do that?

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