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Ken calls Boris Hitler

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longfingernails Thu 18-Aug-11 23:00:42

niceguy2 Fri 19-Aug-11 13:00:22

Oh dear oh dear. Wasn't very nice of him was it?

Just makes Ken look like a desperate idiot really

ttosca Fri 19-Aug-11 14:05:36


Do you think you could have a go at answering my question on the other thread regarding 'respect' and voting?

aquashiv Fri 19-Aug-11 20:38:21

The actual quote...
“It’s a simple choice between good and evil – I don’t think it’s been so clear since the great struggle between Churchill and Hitler.”

He did not brand Boris as Hitler, he did not say Boris is Hitler.

The Evening Standard supported Boris's campaign at the last election

EdithWeston Fri 19-Aug-11 20:55:21

He said:

"It's a simple choice between good and evil. I don't think it has been so clear since the great struggle between Churchill and Hitler.

"Those who don't vote for me will be weighed in the balance come Judgment Day. The Archangel Gabriel will say, 'You didn't vote for Ken Livingstone in 2012. Oh dear, burn for ever. Your skin flayed for all eternity.'"

(from the BBC website).

niceguy2 Fri 19-Aug-11 21:57:27

Sorry Ttosca. Which question was that? I've had a quick look in previous threads but can't find a question directed to me.

ttosca Sun 21-Aug-11 18:30:26


Well, we were talking about 'respect'. You asserted that one of the reasons for the rioting was a general lack of respect for authority in society. I said that respect had to be earned, it can't be just assumed.

I asked you: What do you do when MPs act in a way that means they don't deserve you respect, but in fact, deserve your contempt.

You said that if they do something to lose your respect, you should vote them out.

In the next couple of posts, you (or someone) brought up the Parliamentary expenses scandal. You said: "They're all at it" (meaning MPs from all parties).

I then asked you how you squared this with your previous assertion about 'voting them out' if they no longer deserved your respect. In other words, how can you maintain respect for such institutions when they appear to be all corrupt, and you have no established ways of changing them?

What do you think?

niceguy2 Thu 25-Aug-11 22:35:31

OK I vaguely remember this one.

I think we may have different definition on respect. I suspect you see respect as the same thing as being subservient and blindly doing as you are told. For me respect is about being polite, listening to others and accepting they have different views. That they are treated as you would want yourself to be treated until proven otherwise. In that context I don't see why its wrong to automatically give someone respect rather than only give it after they earn it.

Occasionally we will come across people who are not worthy of our respect. So yes being accurate many of the MP's were "at it" and if I said "They're all at it" then I guess I must have been generalising because I know for a fact my local MP is one of the good ones. Over the last thirty plus years he's been our local MP he's had consistently one of the lowest expense claims going. He's also a complete unashamed socialist which is quite opposite to my views but I RESPECT the fact he has his own views and I'd rather have an honest man in Parliament with views which differ from mine than someone who has the same views but cannot be trusted.

Hope that makes sense? In short, I'd like to bring my kids up to respect people by default until proven otherwise. And if they are proven otherwise they lose respect for the person, not the entire group. Otherwise what next? All asians are terrorists? All Christians are bible bashers? All men are rapists?

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