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newwave Mon 08-Aug-11 21:04:40

You Tory scum voters were warned but did you listen ? oh no you new better now society is being badly damaged the same as during the bitch Thatchers years.

Will Ghost Town be number 1 again because it seens like 1981 has returned with a vengance.

One question, the financial crash must be the Tories fault after all they blamed Brown for the last one, or maybe the Tory filth is wrong about Brown as they are in so very many things.

No where is my "I didnt vote Tory" badge.

CogitoErgoSometimes Mon 08-Aug-11 22:19:00

You don't seriously think the rioters are the poor and oppressed expressing their frustration about spending cuts do you? hmm The crap going on in London and Birmingham is nothing more than pockets of criminals, egging each other on via their smartphones to congregate at particular places and go on a theiving & burning spree... It's a flash mob event for thugs.

And you may not have been paying attention but the latest stock market crash has been whipped up by concerns over the US and Eurozone economies. Investors are choosing British bonds as a safe haven...

jade80 Mon 08-Aug-11 22:27:43

Ha ha ha... twat.

AngryFeet Mon 08-Aug-11 22:28:37

Oh do fuck off

ronshar Mon 08-Aug-11 22:33:26

I think you will find that the only scum around here are the idiots smashing and burning their way around our country!

You, for example are a twat.

newwave Mon 08-Aug-11 22:50:22

ooooh angry Tories how nice

CogitoErgoSometimes Mon 08-Aug-11 22:53:09

And you're not angry? You're quite enjoying the spectacle of London going up in flames just because you think it allows you to say 'I told you so'? hmm What's going on here is nothing to do with mainstream politics and everything to do with London gangs rioting for fun.

Newave shut up. Anyone who would try to make political capital out of this situation is no better than the scum rioting.

newwave Mon 08-Aug-11 23:01:21

Yes I am pissed off that the Police and the Tory government gave the little scroats the "excuse" (although there is no excuse) to kick off.

The actions they are taking are driving places like Tottenham into ever greater poverty. Lets close 8 of 13 youth clubs that will help, lets drive 10% of the area onto the dole thats a good idea.

And yes I can say "I told you so" if you dont learn from history it will repeat itself, Thatcher wanted to punish the poor for being poor so does call me Dave and Gideon with the same results.

What can a pair of tax avoiding Eton scum know about "real"society.

newwave Mon 08-Aug-11 23:02:30

Newave shut up. Anyone who would try to make political capital out of this situation is no better than the scum rioting.

You mean our Hom Sec ?

CogitoErgoSometimes Mon 08-Aug-11 23:07:32

The people doing this aren't the poor and they have zero excuse for what they're doing. The poor will suffer, not because of the government, but because they're now frightened, burnt out of their homes and have nowhere to go to work because business premises have been destroyed from underneath them. That's the impact on 'real society'.

newwave Mon 08-Aug-11 23:15:28

No the real impact on society is Tory policies, just bear in mind that this Tory government has caused a record level in youth unemployment.

This does not excuse the riots but it is at least part of the problem, that and the racist attitudes of many (not all) of the Police, after all Highgate and Muswell Hill are both in the same borough as Tottenham yet I doubt many middle class white kids suffer stop and search in those areas let alone shot and killed.

CogitoErgoSometimes Mon 08-Aug-11 23:23:07

Youth unemployment is not part of this current problem and I don't think racism has a lot to do with it either. There are white lads, black lads and asian lads all joining together, taking the opportunity to smash a few windows and give the police the runaround. There are kids as young as 11 being picked up for looting and throwing missiles - they're not worried about youth unemployment. This is symptomatic of a wider disrespect for authority & morality... a total disconnect with any sense of community, any idea of right and wrong.

claig Mon 08-Aug-11 23:47:30

Livingstone was on Newsnight giving the usual socialist lies that this was about government cuts. As if the youths checking their blackberrys and looting shops were protesting library cuts. I don't think many of these looters were concerned enough about cuts to youth centres to attend the TUC anti-cuts demos.

newwave Mon 08-Aug-11 23:48:29

"a total disconnect with any sense of community, any idea of right and wrong"

This is what happens when the Tories are in power and crapping on those with the least. The Tories say "your the dregs of society" and the answer is what you now see.

This does not happen under Labour only under a Tory government I wonder why.

claig Mon 08-Aug-11 23:53:39

'This is what happens when the Tories are in power and crapping on those with the least.'

Do you reckon this has just happened since the Coalition won the election? Is that why the nine year old looters came out on the streets?

Tortington Mon 08-Aug-11 23:55:49

well here is the problem you see. if you say - look, the tories realy have cut everything back, every single service. you are seen as some sort of apologist.

and thats just poor logic. why now, why at this time are the circumstances right for this to happen. why now?

and saying that people can't be poor and have a blackberry is tantermount to asking why poor people have 89" flat screen tellies and then saying that they can't be really poor then. you an't say someone isn't poor beuase they have a blackberry ffs.

so i can say i think this rioting is stupid mindless thuggery. AND i can ask what are the underlying causes that enables this thuggery to happen right now? one does not preclude the other.

and that is what ken was saying ont he bbc. but people are just so outraged they just want to partake in outrage and hysteria, it won't be for a couple of days til any reasoned discussion takes place on mn regarding root causes

claig Tue 09-Aug-11 00:01:23

Yes I don't think many poor people have blackberries, unless the socialist state hands them one for free.

'why at this time are the circumstances right for this to happen. why now?'

very good question. But Ken and the socialists as usual have the wrong answer. It's not poverty and government cuts, just like some of the people jailed for the violence in the recent student demos etc. were not poor, but were privately educated and went to privileged universities.

newwave Tue 09-Aug-11 00:03:57

As I say it only happens when the Tories are in power I will leave the motives of the nine year olds to you although I suspect it is peer power/pressure and that they are scroats.

The current riot aside it wont be long before we end up with a similiar "adult" situation, you cannot screw the poor whilst sheilding the "bankers" and their ilk without consequences, we see it with Thatcher.

Just remember who caused this reccession (the bankers) and who "stole" the publics money (the bankers). Bob Diamond that fine example of feral capitalism had the brass neck to say that the austerity measures must continue whilst pocketing a huge bonus It's a wonder he did not choke as he said it.

CogitoErgoSometimes Tue 09-Aug-11 00:06:41

The 'circumstances' & 'underlying causes' are that parts of London are lawless shit-holes. The stabbings and shootings, the gang violence etc. have been rumbling along for years and years. It's not a recent phenomenon. Youth unemployment and spending cuts may have a slight impact but they are not the main problem. Youths are fully employed and well-financed running drugs and guns. But we've been OK about all of this for as long as it was kept between the gangs. Why now? Why not? The spark was probably the protest on Saturday in Tottenham. But then, as others saw how easy it was to get their gang together and target a shopping centre, watching the police totally on the defensive rather than risk accusations of brutality... they've picked up the baton and given it a go themselves.

Toobluntforboss Tue 09-Aug-11 00:07:24

God love you new wave! Hope you are able to get an education and learn to spell at some point in the near future. All the very best as I do feel for you.

claig Tue 09-Aug-11 00:10:26

'Hope you are able to get an education and learn to spell at some point in the near future.'

With the Tory emphasis on standards in education and the end of socialist dumbing down culture, that may well be a possibility.

newwave Tue 09-Aug-11 00:12:54

Hi Blunt, sorry but my Google spell checker is on the blink as for God loving me i doubt it has he/she/it does not exist.

"Youth unemployment and spending cuts may have a slight impact" all credit to you as most Tory apologists will not admit it will have any effect on anyone except those who "deserve it" you know, council house tenants or benifit cheats or maybe asylum seekers and public sector workers.

CogitoErgoSometimes Tue 09-Aug-11 00:22:27

You're confusing two very different things. There are many people for whom the cuts in spending and other austerity measures represent a serious blow to their standard of living. But it would be insulting to those people to suggest that simply because they are struggling they would automatically turn to violence and theft. Most people are decent and law-abiding, regardless of their level of income.

Those who are opting to rampage through their own towns, destroying homes, ruining businesses and stealing goods have their own agenda that has little to do with unemployment or poverty. This is not a 'protest gone bad'. It's criminality for its own sake.

newwave Tue 09-Aug-11 00:26:30

This is not a 'protest gone bad'. It's criminality for its own sake.

Probably a bit of both tbh but mostly a reason to kick back at the Police the same as Broadwater Farm which started as a protest but became an anti Police riot.

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