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The Grauniad seems to be dying - hurrah!

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longfingernails Fri 17-Jun-11 23:39:46

I doubt Polly will be selling her Tuscan villa any time soon, but it will be a wonderful day when the BBC's in-house journal gets what it deserves.

BecauseImWorthIt Fri 17-Jun-11 23:45:08

Oh go away longfingernails. You really are a tedious poster.

madhattershouse Fri 17-Jun-11 23:47:28

That's ok. We can all read the Mail for well informed news!!! grin

weblette Fri 17-Jun-11 23:49:49


The Torygraph and Daily Fail will go long down before.

If you ever posted anything reasonably sensible or interesting on this entire website with all its different forums and threads about anything other than your tedious political view I might be a bit more interested in what you post.

BecauseImWorthIt Fri 17-Jun-11 23:51:23

I wouldn't mind if you just posted in politics all the time, but it's your sneery, gloating tone that I seriously object to. You don't want a debate or a discussion.

Scarletbanner Fri 17-Jun-11 23:55:21

I wonder why you would care. Does it threaten your world view or do you just not like the fact that people are allowed to publish views you don't hold yourself?

MollysChamber Fri 17-Jun-11 23:58:36


Celebrating people losing their jobs? How obnoxious.

And yet strangely true to form.

madhattershouse Sat 18-Jun-11 00:00:48

molly she will say that they are workshy and feckless once they are on the dole!!!

claig Sat 18-Jun-11 00:01:18

It is sad that people will lose their jobs there. All of our national newspapers are great; they all provide different slants and angles. They are what keep the political debate going. I prefer the more informed political analysis of the Daily Mail, but I think the Guardian is still one of the world's greatest newspapers, and it is a great shame to see any of our newspapers suffering. We need variety and all viewpoints, and the Guardian and longfingernails both provide those.

longfingernails Sat 18-Jun-11 00:03:40

Its headline commentators are odious hypocrites who I detest.

Everyone can publish their views on anything now. Even if the Guardian went bust, Polly, Jackie and Seamus could make their incoherent and ugly thoughts known.

It is the institutionalisation - together with the amplification of everything the Guardian stands for by the other great evil of British media - namely, the BBC - which makes the Guardian so malicious.

PelvicFloor0fSteel Sat 18-Jun-11 00:05:25

That's the first time I've ever seen the daily mail seriously accused of informed political analysis! Unless you were joking? I suppose they do some right leaning political news between the benefit and immigrant bashing...

weblette Sat 18-Jun-11 00:05:59

Malicious? Good grief. There is a parallel universe.

BecauseImWorthIt Sat 18-Jun-11 00:13:57

LFN - I think we all get by now, as we're not entirely stupid, that you have right wing leanings.

That does not make those who are on the left, 'odious hypocrites', 'incoherent', 'evil' or 'malicious'.

I get that you detest them. But why not try and be a tad open-minded, and actually look for some actual political debate?

claig Sat 18-Jun-11 00:15:14

PelvicFloorOfSteel, The Mail exposes people to things they won't read about in the Guardian. All views are valuable. Here is an example of a Daily Mail article which you could never read about in the Guardian. It is good to read George Monbiot in the Guardian and Littlejihn in the Mail, and then decide who is closest to the truth. This is the visionary Littlejohn humourously poking fun at teh global warmers and the soon to promoted 'global cooling'. It is an example of why the Daily Mail is one of the world's greatest newspapers, just like the Guardian.

madhattershouse Sat 18-Jun-11 00:17:03

OMG!!! The Daily Mail have GOT to be kidding ( I know I was)!! Malicious..really, I thought it was political perspectives at work. Clearly those that differ to your longfingernails are less well informed! Sorry, I bow to your intellectual greatness - NOT!

PelvicFloor0fSteel Sat 18-Jun-11 00:20:19

The words 'visionary Littlejohn' used in conjunction is the funniest thing I've read in years, thank you claig. grin

claig Sat 18-Jun-11 00:25:35

smile. Many a truth is told in jest, just like the truth told by Littlejohn on global warming/cooling. The Daily Mail is iconclastic, indeed some would say fantastic; it smashes through the lies, and lets the truth arise.

newfashionedmum Sat 18-Jun-11 00:25:45

Littlejohn finds global warming funny? It's that arrogant and 'hilarious' false bravado that enables many people to selfishly and self importantly do bugger all about climate change. He and his readership will be the first to complain when the UK begins to become populated by climate refugees unable to survive in their flooded/tornadoed/drought stricken homes.

claig Sat 18-Jun-11 00:26:20


longfingernails Sat 18-Jun-11 00:26:57

I think there is great market potential for left-wing news, because around 30%-35% of the population are consistently left-wing.

Unfortunately for the Guardian, as long as the standard-bearers of the left are obsessed with fringe bien pensant issues like AV, they will die a slow, lingering death.

HHLimbo Sat 18-Jun-11 00:27:57

AHAHAHA!! I love claig, always trying to sell us the daily fail. And lfn, she just says the craziest things!

Actually its becoming a bit repetitive now .. <bored, wanders off>

claig Sat 18-Jun-11 00:29:35

newfashionedmum, he doesn't find it funny, which is why he devotes a whole article to it. He who laughs last, laughs loudest. Let's see who is right. I think we may soon find out, when 'global cooling' becomes the new sustainable buzzword.

madhattershouse Sat 18-Jun-11 00:31:13

The left suffered a slow death before...until anti Tory views voted in Blair!! It willl happen again! Much sooner this time !

ttosca Sat 18-Jun-11 00:57:12

lol - The Daily Mail.... just lol...

ElBurroSinNombre Sat 18-Jun-11 09:20:19

Not at all surprised to hear that.
In all seriousness, I think the end is nigh for our agenda led newspapers of all political persuasions. Younger people now use the internet for news (more up to date than a paper, less tribal) and there is plenty of analysis online as well. And you can also join in the debate - like this. I feel that this demise is probably a move for the better as all of the agenda led newspapers tend to reinforce certain world views (as you can see above) - whereas the truth is usually somewhere in between.
I feel that in order to survive the dailiys will have to find a business model where they are given away for nothing like the Evening Standard is now in London.

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