6th Insight - the celestine prophecies cont...

[Papillon]

EVERYBODY IS WELCOME TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THIS WHETHER YA HAVE READ THE BOOK OR NOT.

So this is one looks as scary as the 4th !

Clearing the past... our parental lineage and control dramas.

So are you just like your parents.. ? Or, are you like them but have added extras.. ? Do you have control dramas?

Wot about day to day life... is your outer behaviour:

Outer behaviour vs Inner Struggle

• Intimidator
  Denial, not listening e.g. Fear of being controlled
  
• Interrogator
  
• Aloof
  
• Poor Me
  
  I can honestly say that I am not quite at this state of nirvana yet!
  
  Awareness is a mirror reflecting the four elements. Beauty is a heart that generates love and a mind that is open. Thich Nhat Hanh

[MummyToSteven]

oooh this is a scary topic - spent my younger years desperately wanting not be as earnest/bookaholic/lacking in confidence as my mum - and guess what has happened!!! my added extra is an anxiety disorder, but a degree of insight which I strongly hope will help me bring up DS to have far greater self belief than myself. My outer behaviour is I think Poor Me - I'm not very good at asserting myself and scared of anger - i fall into the typical woman trap of trying to please everyone. now just need to find out what a control drama is!

[Papillon]

was just thinking abou thtis yesterday Beetroot and felt that I would like to have another thread about first insight.. or reserrect the old one.. it might be buried in our thread conversations we used to have b4 board started... so if your keen let me know.. or start one up yourself

[Angeliz]

I loved this one.

I was (and have fallen back into) aloof.
Once i did some soul searching and realised this, i tryed my hardest to change it. I found when i did this that as i was more open so were people around me and all my relationships improved.

Thinking about it now i've probably fallen back into bad habits.

[Papillon]

interesting poing MtS.. being aware of the problem I feel this can help you evolve onwards though. They say sensitive introverted people ususally have families who are that way also... so it is a hard one to change if you are naturally into books rather than parties

[Papillon]

nice one beety -- enjoy the book and I am around for insightful chats anytime... its great the first time I read it like many people it can raise your energy and awareness and all sorts happen

[JuniperDewdrop]

Morning all, paps I thought you said the 8th insight on the parenting course thread? I've been reading frantically all night I must've misread it.

I've been looking into my relationship with my parents a lot recently anyway as I started to see a pattern with DS2. He's very hard work and I found myself shouting far too much. My dad was very short tempered. Now that I've stopped shouting (as much) and am standing back more I can already see such a difference in DS2. Think I'm edging onto the 8th now ....
Mum is a definite poor me but she had good reason then. She has lots of qualities I admire and have inherited, such as her sense of adventure. Both my parents were brave (dad died at age 56) in different ways and I'd say I have that in me. Think I need to study the 6th a bit more and get back to you all.

[melsy]

I like this one as it helps one get to the bottom of your character , but its also diffucult to see aswill.


Angeliz , missed you , haveny seend you around on here for ahwile in spsiritual land.

[gothicmama]

The control drama is how you use one of the four behaviours to manipulate what goes on around you therefor if you are an indimidator you use power to control what happens if you are aloof by not caring you draw people into you if you are an intettogator you question why adn if you are a poor me you control people by lettingthem help you.
Which one your parents are determines your response and so to be aware is a way of gaining energy because you no longer fall in to the control dramas you react differently so the other person no longer has control

[melsy]

when I say difficult to se I mean if it makes you realise what your doing i that control behaviour its not nice !!

[melsy]

Hi g mama

I not very articulate today , cant get out what i mean !!! very tired. will have to dwell and thinkand then post a more intelligent reponse.

[Papillon]

no JD you did read right... but I explained myself in Litotes this morning ... if you want to read that bit of blather!

Thanks for the more indepth explanation Gmama How do you feel about the 6th though for yourself?

[gothicmama]

hi m I thinkit's like as children we learn a way that gets a response so as we get older we use the same tactics to get the response we need but because everyone does it - people then learn to respond teh same in other settings. Like I always end up as apoor me when I am with my sister and she is an intimidator but if I change teh way I respond ie I become an interregator it changes the power balance adn I can regain control

[melsy]

I know exactly what you mean gmama , if we get a good pay off for the behjaviour then we will continiue it into aduklt life, untilwe relasie the illusion we have created is not healthy. The pay off being unsolicited energy from another.

[Papillon]

I think the 6th insight is abit like the 2nd insight (the longer now. With that insight the guide book made the statement that perception is a learned phenomenon. Quite often learnt from parents but also society has an enormous part to play imo.

So placing it seems like it is the 2nd insight but being placed more on a personal level within yourself. For me as a person I am definately don´t want to follow histories mistakes as a citizen iykwim but what about the history of women? Of course the feminist era has covered this - but what about women as Intimidators and as gossips... something we probably all share. I know that I try and avoid this but it is often an easy thing to get roped into when you want to be part of a group..

I have to dash but want to come back to this and would be interested in hearing wot other people think

[gothicmama]

yes it is all a journey through social to personal things that make you you and how to be aware of them to make you better and therefore society if enough people are aware

[JuniperDewdrop]

yes papillon, I know what you mean regarding gossiping. It gives us power and makes us feel better about ourselves when putting others down. It's so difficult not to get drawn in when you're in a group of women and they're gossiping. When I was a regular drinker with a group of girls I rarely gossiped and friends got annoyed with me? I tried to see good in others. I still try my best to defend people but have to try harder to be more tactful as I can be blunt. That is definitely a trait picked up from dad.
Thinking of the 6th I feel I'm quite a mixture really.

[Papillon]

The childhood dramas of friendship in an adult frame have been one of my biggest hurdles.. I have been working on it for some years now... and really benefitted from it having better friendships as a result. ...also the difference between talking about a person opposed to gossiping about them is important in my book to realise. Interesting that you said that your mates used to get annoyed with you for not participating.. that group syndrome...
this is a good quote about that really struck a chord with me and made me realise how empty the cool group really was once I finally achieved that status

Like alot of adaptive strategies, cool is self limiting. While it helps maintain an image of being in control - it can also make intimate relationships more difficult to achieve. ...nothing more than a survival technique intended to make yourself interesting and attractive to others so that you are better able to manipulate their behaviour along lines that will provide some immediate gratification.

That was so true of one circumstance I had with a woman I was friends with. When parting company she said she was happy being a hedonist. It really supported that above quotes meaning especially when I knew she really was not very happy and it was a covering statement.

As you said its the tact element isn´t it Juniper that is sooo important. I am an open person but I have had to learn not to be TOOO open and put a guard on my feelings - which is outward perspection that the world does feel or think according to my ethos - right or wrong.

This is probably the insight I thought most about and had the greatest impact on me when i read the book. I am referring to the parents and evolution part. I am both my parents and recognition/awareness like you said Gmama made that occur. I have an even closer relationship with them than ever before as a result. Because I don´t treat them as faults because some of it is their good attibutes which I want to bring out of them and me, which I feel helps iron out the wrinkly bits!

[Papillon]

geez did not realise I wrote that much!!! hope it makes sense

[JuniperDewdrop]

Yes that makes absolute sense

I've found that 'knowing' people more deeply has enhanced my relationships with them rather than hinder. I recognise my own faults and so am less likely to judge them. It's a peaceful feeling. I do still get angry, especially for other people but I try to channel it in positive ways. Having said that I have a very long way to go but it's nice to feel as if I'm on the right path.
I had to cut a few people out of my life though which is sad but I feel necessary. My friendships now are so much richer. The hardest relationship I have to deal with is my mother. I can be so rude to her as she annoys me beyond belief at times. She annoys my surviving sister too but the sis that died had so much patience. It's improving though. She's on her way to my house at the moment so we'll see how this afternoon goes?

[Papillon]

good luck Juniper ... perhaps you could ask her which one she is..

• Intimidator
  
• Interrogator
  
• Aloof
  
• Poor Me
  
  I have not decided which one I am... maybe abit of everything .. the ditherer... i just can´t decide!! LOL

[JuniperDewdrop]

blimey, papillon I can just imagine asking her lol. She'd go nuts and be very bristly. She's a poor me.

[JuniperDewdrop]

I can be aloof and agressive yet also poor me?? I'm definitely a mixed bag. Maybe it'd be best if someone else analysed me? Who though, as dh is far too nice to say in case he offends.

[Papillon]

Well I need help in that department too Juniper

We are the mixbaggers!!! So I had a quick look on the Celestine Prohecies website and this was the overview for the 6th insight..

The more we stay connected, the more we are acutely aware of those times when we lose connection, usually when we are under stress. In these times, we can see our own particular way of stealing energy from others. Once our manipulations are brought to personal awareness, our connection becomes more constant and we can discover our own growth path in life, and our spiritual mission - the personal way we can contribute to the world.

So I am going to think about how I may steal energy and get back to you with the bad news