I want to know more about Plymouth Brethren(103 Posts)
I'm curious about the Plymouth Brethren, there is a meeting place near my home & I often see families with the females wearing headscarves & I know nothing about this branch of belief at all.
I've tried Wikipedia but its very word dense & I can't get the entire page on my phone (computer is broken).
Is there anyone who can give me some info on the Brethren, just some main points of the religion & what its all about please, purely for my own interest?
Exclusive Brethren is different I think.
There were some DC at my school from the Plymouth Brethren, they left after GCSE. I was friends with one from age 9-14ish, we asked him loads of questions about his religion, eg why his father preached on Saturdays in town (he did too as he got older). At the time Neighbours was the trendy TV show to watch, and classmates used to battle to be the first to tell him the latest plot developments! Think he bent some of the rules somewhat!
we basically just follow simple Christianity and our families are our main priorities in life! I think you will find that anyone who speaks negatively about us has had very little or nothing to do with us. There is a lot of misinformation out there about us.
We are not a cult - we love the Lord Jesus Christ and believe that He died for us, like a lot of the population in the world
Argument from numbers. Cult.
That's one reason we like to have our own schools to educate our kids - there's a lot of non-clean stuff that goes on in public schools.
How fucking dare you, also- cult.
Basically, we see the Bible as the guide for everything we do
My brother worked for Exclusive plymouth brethren and ended up courting their daughter. She left the brethren an married him. They had a child, when she was one years old He died of cancer. Two years later she informed me that she had gone back to her parents home and rejoined the brethren and as I "don't break bread" with her I couldn't see my niece. A long drawn out session ended up with a court order allowing me contact twice a year for two hours. My niece is now 13 yrs old and sister in law has remarried and wants me out of her life as I am not a brethren. Might be "nice people" but really as I am having to use the courts again. I am not going to give up. I want my niece to have a choice.
We purchased our house from a Brethren family, they were very respectful and quietly spoken but I did feel sorry for the children, there were no toys in the house when we viewed it and when we moved in we discovered the cupboard under the stairs was covered in feint pencil drawings along with many walls around the house, I discover a new one in a strange place every so often and it always makes me a bit sad.
The kids were terrors too, throwing stones at our car and generally mischievous I'm sure it was due to having no other outlet.
There were no electrical items in the house other than lighting and heating and no phone, in an emergency they used the neighbours' phone.
The house was spotless when we moved in though, they'd had the carpets and oven professionally cleaned and everything sparkled.
They wear distinctive bows in their hair - the kids anyway
No, randomer that sounds like a load of codswallop.
Many excommunicated members of the Exclusive Brethren Taylor-Hales group* have taken their own lives over the years though, when EB separatist practices just became too much for them. It's very hard, learning to live with the fact that most of your relatives and friends view you as dead while living.
*This particular group of Excl Breth/Plym Breth rebranded themselves five years ago when the UK Charity Commission started asking questions about their charitable status and other practices. They now call themselves the Plymouth Brethren Christian Church or PBCC, and have started to do some charitable work. My opinion on them has changed little. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, refuses to interact with other ducks, and thinks it has a special place in heaven separate from other ducks, then it probably is a cult.
is there any truth in the story that over 100 PB died at the hands of their leader
Hi Jasper I find it very strange you have never heard any of these things. With all due respect they have been well aired on the net for years, The person who told me, I knew for about 20 years. I have also seen discrimination firsthand.
I was brought up in the PB.
There are lots of variations.Our lot were not strict . we lived in a flat and then a semi. I have not heard of half the stuff mentioned on this thread and I've been knocking about the PBs for 50 odd years.
I assure you we were / are completely normal christians who have a huge emphasis on hospitality and feeding the hungry.
I can not help but wonder what some of the older members think now mobiles and computers are used. A brethren man i once knew told me computers ,cordless phones, mobiles, even remote controls were the work of the devil. some members were severely punished for using these. Could money be the reason for change I wonder?
I used to know someone who was brought up in a Brethren family (don't know which kind but they were very strong in Suffolk) and she and her husband had an arranged marriage when they were 18. They liked the young people to marry early to avoid sex before marriage. She said if you didn't produce a child within a year of marriage the elders came round asking questions, because contraception was frowned on.
When they left their family severed all contact.
I lost touch with her but she would be about 50 now. The arranged marriage and the level of interference in family life seemed quite shocking to me.
There is an ex brethren website offering support callled Wikipeebia.com
There is also a national organisation for cult leavers called cultinformation.org.uk
There is a group which help members and ex members of cults. I saw a programme on TV about them. Not sure if they're still going.
Jadken, can you provide a link to the petition please or tell us how to find it.
Dawnz, your post is helpful, and having been there for 47 years of my life I can confirm most of the things you say. At present I have a petition running and would like to see more support for it. It is a petition to our Federal Government to expand the charter of the Royal Commission to include all forms of child abuse. When we quit, four of our girls stayed, however through devious means and having the police turn up on our doorstep because they had a Kidnapping report (yes the pb's had reported me kidnapping my own Daughter) we recovered two. I have correspondence from one of my daughters claiming they were being held against their will and locked in a bedroom! One of these girls returned to us and has confirmed the Abuse! However the Royal Commission has advised me that although they would gladly adjudicate on these other forms of abust, they do not have the charter to do so.
So I an petitioning the Government to expand their charter. I need many more signatures. I do not believe it matters from where in the World you come from, just that you abhore Abuse in any form.
Please spred the word and have everone that hates abusers sign the petition!
I've only ever known one and that was many many years ago. She was a colleague. Hair drawn back tightly no make up ever, plain drab clothes but I wouldn't have thought anything wrong with that and didn't even know she was one till someone told me. I didn't think anything of it really. But she wasn't a very nice person. Not nasty but just not very likeable. Somehow I thought she should have been nicer since she was so religous.
Stylish38, your situation is heart breaking ! I was a PB for 47 years.
If you would like to have a chat, please just say so. We will find a safe way of becoming aquainted. Where are you from. Avoid being too specific.
Well happy christian. you are only fooling yourself. who made you post such dribble. You are all far from normal and only a small persentage of the Cult are even Christians.
I feel for you in this situation, however the reality is that unless he thought long and hard about where he was, wanted out and left the cult totally of his own accord ( that is he wasn't forced to leave) he would still be feeling guilty and not sure of where he should be. He would have been taught from as soon as he can remember that the EB is the only right place to be, that he was chosen, that to leave it more than likely means eternal damnation.
Its not that he doesn't love you! the fear and brainwashed upbringing has been bought to the fore by their scheming approach.
I would suggest trying to get him to talk through it with you and a counsellor, but it is impossible for anyone to understand his position unless they have been there.
The strength of the brainwashing is such that I know people who were kicked out 25 years ago would go back tomorrow if they were allowed, hence the reason splinter groups have formed.
Maybe you could see if he can arrange to meet his daughter at Maccas or somewhere, perhaps that will go someway to easing the situation
However , be prepared, if he himself has no judgement of the cult he left, Bruce Hales representing himself as Christs representative on earth, the money making machine thinly veiled as religion, the political backstabbing as part of everyday life, the sickening spectacle of the chosen ones like the Hales and Gadstens nothing will stop him returning.
I know it's terrible isn't it.
I knew all about the exclusive brethren and that he couldn't see the children, he told me early on in our relationship, and I thought that when they were old enough they might get in touch, but I didn't know this would happen.
No I don't think he has been in touch with any groups, it isn't the kind of thing he would do and he's not on FB.
I know he has struggled being ex communicated by his family, I am confused why he would want to return and especially return to his ex wife. He said he didn't realise the pull would be so strong to return until he spoke to his daughter, I think they all knew exactly what they were doing to hook him back in to return.
I have read a lot of literature on the EB and it says that the families and religion will keep trying to get someone who has left to return.
I am devastated as I didn't see this happening and we have been so happy together.
I hope and prey he will realise what he is giving up and realises he doesn't want to loose me.
Oh my goodness,what a terrible situation for both of you. has your partner had any contact over the last 10 years with other people going through similar situations. There is a group on Facebook called Ex-Exclusive brethren where people who have left this group support each other.There are dads who have not seen their kids for years.It may help him to contact them for support. It is such a shame after all this time that this is happening. The kids are nearly old enough to decide that they will see him anyway but then they risk being ex-communicated and will lose contact with their mum,friends,cousins,grand-parents everyone except dad. That is the wicked thing about the PBCC, the divided families. Even the people who have fought legally for access often find that the kids have been brainwashed into thinking their dad is so wicked that they want no contact. How awful the kids are being used in this way. I really do not know what to say to you.It would be great for the kids to see their dad but unacceptable that they refuse to allow that to happen without him rejoining. Maybe the members of PBCC who have commented on here could explain to us all how this is acceptable. I hope and pray he is able to find a solution and stay true to himself.
Juliette 445 I hardly know how to respond to what you wrote. The brethren are often lovely hardworking trustworthy families..yes...but the whole thing about a cult is that when you are in it,you are unaware it is controlling you and with the PBCC more or less every member has been born into it and genuinely know no different. The only people who can genuinely tell you what they are really like as an 'organisation' are people who have left, and there have been a few on this thread. It is all well and good to say that people should just get on with their lives but they lose EVERYTHING. Family,job,financial support,home,all their friends. Can you even imagine that. Some people are asked to leave because maybe they challenged a view of Bruce Hales.These people are allowed no contact with their wives or children By the time they have fought legal cases,their children have been told they are evil and they must not speak to them, so even if they gain 'access' via court system,it is very strained.
They are having a big PR drive at the moment in the UK as they were threatened with losing their charitable status.That is why they have a big shiny website(many people were 'withdrawn from' for even having a computer in the house in the past) and why they have set up emergency teams for when there is a local crisis of some kind. If you go back just a few years none of these things happened.
The reason alcoholism is a big problem is because drinking spirits is actively encouraged,even in kids as young as 12/13 (especially boys) and it is often whisky. This has become more of an issue as when my parents left in 1970 they did not drink at all and many of their generation are quite anti drink.
I believe that now they have agreed to certain things to ensure they remain a charity, that we will see more legal challenges over the next few years as ex members gather evidence of how badly they are being treated.
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