ish friendship thread
I've had a talk with Crescentmoon about starting a thread where Christians and Muslims can hold out our hands in friendship to one another. I feel like we have so much to offer one another, and I certainly would love to learn more about Islam, and to understand the ways in which my Muslim sisters live out their faith. Would anybody else like to join?
I'm niminypiminy, and I'm a member of the Church of England, and work, and have two children. I realise that I'd don't even know if there is an equivalent in Islam for the different denominations (aside from Sunni and Shia, which I'm not at all confident I correctly understand the difference between). I'm going to be offline for a couple of days, so can't get back to reply, but if anybody would like to use this thread to come together as Christians trying to live out our faith, and to prayerfully and open-heartedly welcome and understand each other...
Just wondering if anyone watched that Panorama program this week about non-violent extremists. What are your views on the use of this term? I think it can create a lot of confusion. When someone promotes violence and hatred it is clear that is an extreme view that could lead to a person committing acts of terrorism but what about those who subscribe to quite a traditional, conservative interpretation of religion. Do you think non-violent extremists is an appropriate or useful term to describe the more literalist, orthodox members of your faith group e.g. orthodox jews, evangelical christians (thinking of the bible belt in America).
I agree that these sorts of groups can sometimes promote an intolerant world view however Im not sure the answer is to crimanilise them. For example if someone has quite a traditional view of gender roles is that extreme? Isnt it better to debate with that person about their views rather then just silencing them. How will that change their opinion? I just think it could be a slippery slope as this idea of non violent extremism seems quite arbitrary in the way it could be applied.
clean, I agree with chocolate. Just ignore the ignorance and hate. Most of us just want peace and unity.
Hello everyone. It's been so lovely to read this thread. I have been saddened, depressed and sickened by some of the views on mn in this last week. Debating with some people is a pointless and futile exercise. I was thinking of taking a long mn break but this thread had reminded that there are many many wonderful mnetters out there who strive for peace and harmony between us all.
These people believe that any mad scheme that pops into their head has come via their personal hotline to the Almighty, not the devil (oddly enough).
Count me in as well. Im so happy this thread exists and hope it can be a forum to promote understanding and peace.
Shlep I totally agree with you. Anyone who uses children as a target or a weapon for their cause is truly a monster. It really boggles the mind how any person of faith who believes in an after life can commit such hideous acts. Im always left wondering dont they believe they will be standing in front of God one day having to answer for these actions?
It is not just me but many muslims find the actions of people like this totally shocking and baffling including influential muslim scholars.
However these sorts of people will ignore the rebuke and advice even from the most knowledgeable and influential clerics in the muslim world.
Hi all, count me in. I've been thinking we should have an inter-faith thread after some of the conversations on the Muslim tea room thread, so very pleased to see one already exists
Hi niminy, good to "see" you again. Hope all is well with you. I love the idea of the rose. Sending a virtual rose to all.
Count me in! Thank you for bringing the thread back to life, Tuo. Haven't been around much on MN recently so hello to everyone.
A friend of mine showed me yesterday a text from her sister -- a Muslim woman - a complete stranger - had come up to her in the street and given her a rose as a gesture of peace and friendship.
People of all faiths (and none), I offer you a virtual rose.
Apparently France has deployed 5,000 soldiers to protect the 700 or so Jewish schools specifically. No school should have to be guarded by troops ffs.
If anyone is in the local area, they might be interested in this course.
count me in. As Crescent has already said, blessed are the peacemakers and the world surely needs more of those. We are all God's children whatever our faith or lack thereof, if only we could all see that.
bigbluestars - I said all are welcome, and I meant it.
However, since the aim of the thread was specifically to improve understanding and relationships between faiths, rather than to debate 'faith' per se (and there are, or at least have been, lots of threads doing that), I'd hope that posters kept in mind the aim of the thread when posting. I say this not because I'm afraid of being questioned, but simply because that wasn't why the thread was started... (But it's not my thread, and I'm certainly not the Thread Police, so if others disagree then feel free to say so...).
Running to work now, but will be back!
Hi. I wasn't here for the original thread, so joining in here- I'm Jewish (Liberal), fwiw.
Would love to join in as well tuo, thank you for reviving dear niminy's thread. Blessed are the peacemakers
In view of recent events, and of some conversations between Christians and Muslims on the Muslim Tearoom thread, I wondered if it might be timely to bump this thread...
This is a place for Christians, Muslims and Jews to reach out hands of friendship and peace, on the basis that mutual understanding is the best basis for the building of a more tolerant future.
All are welcome.
Sorry to have been so quiet, I've been away for a couple of weeks.
While I was away I was privileged to be able to visit a mosque during prayer time and to witness prayers there. It was a really powerful experience which made a great impact on me. I think the main thing that I felt was the presence of God, but also how much as Christians we have to learn from the way that Muslims worship -- standing shoulder to shoulder, old and young, using their bodies as well as words.
I was also lucky enough to have some time asking questions of and talking with a female Muslim chaplain, who was just brilliant -- one of those people whose holiness just shines from them like an inner light, not in a holier than thou kind of way, more as in her whole life was clearly centred in God and she obviously walked in complete freedom of self-surrender. And she was very engaging and funny! It was wonderful !
im not into urban music but a family member who is into rap introduced me to two songs awhile ago that i thought were very interesting. has anyone heard of 'Jesus Walks' by Kanye West? or the muslim version Muhammad Walks by Lupe Fiasco? iv linked the lyrics version of both, but you can read them in full here and here. listening to them i think in a simple way they show alot of insight into the goals of christianity and islam. i like Lupe Fiascos as it namechecks alot of the Prophets important to Muslims, but something about the 'Jesus Walks' one sets my feet to move its very good. wonder what you all think.
so true dear tuo, and this thread of niminys might reach many more than we all meet alone. i watched this video linked by another poster on another thread: This Land is Mine. and it shows the millenia of conflicts in the fertile crescent ending by showing nuclear war, and i felt fearful. then I thought for the sake of the children of man, the children of Adam, we should all prosecute for peace, not war. to spite the devil who hates each and every one of us.
Thank you, crescentmoon. I was lucky enough to visit Jerusalem a year or so ago, and was incredibly moved by the experience. I have just re-read something that I wrote then. I said that 'oneness and multiplicity define this place � define it, and divide it, and hold it together in a peace so fragile it feels like a holding of breath', and I am crying now because it feels as if even that most fragile of peaces has been shattered. But if we love our neighbours, as you suggest, then we cannot give up on peace; and if we are powerless to bring peace to our fractured world, then we can try to bring it in a tiny but perhaps not insignificant way to those around us and to those we can reach.
thanks so much niminy and tuo, Eid mubarak to everyone too. tuo iv read a few of your prayers for peace in the ME on the christian prayer thread - always so measured and hopeful. very true to say its so important now as always to hold out our hands to each other. il speak from the heart that when i realise how conflicting it is to separate judaism from zionism, and even the zionism that wants to raze gaza and the west bank from the zionism that doesnt see the occupied territories as belonging to israel. when i realise how it shouldnt be a conflict within but it can be, i realise that christians seeing the persecution of their coeligionists at the hands of muslim extremists in ME might go through something similar.
as a muslim it shames me that whilst islam the religion itself has alot of checks and inhibitions against destructive behaviour against others and even within oneself that muslims do such acts as ISIS in iraq right now. big muslim clerics have spoken out against their persecution of christians in mosul and made statements repudiating it, en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/07/25/worlds_muslim_leaders_condemn_attacks_on_iraqi_christians/1103410
including the 54 member Organisation of Islamic Countries.such demagogues of all stripes try to use religion as a way to further their own political agenda and take advantage of that feeling of anger and powerlessness to turn it to murderous rage. thats when its the most important to stand firm against that, say not in my name, because at the heart of our three faiths is the maintenance of hope and compassion for humanity. Jesus (pbuh) taught to “love thy neighbor as thyself.” The Torah says, “That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow.” Muhammad (pbuh) said “None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself.”
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