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Dog with allergies.. needs to come off steroids, but needs something else.. any recommendations?

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Tombliboob Fri 18-Jun-10 23:01:40

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Vallhala Fri 18-Jun-10 23:25:21

Have posted this out to a rescue forum which has some very wise doggy people on it, some of whom are into alternative medicines as well as conventional ones. Will come back if and when I get any response.

Meantime, a cuddle from me is winging its way over to your poor dog.

Tombliboob Sat 19-Jun-10 01:07:15

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Vallhala Sat 19-Jun-10 01:12:17

The advice I've had back is to consult the vet re antibiotics for the infection and research into the correct food to avoid triggering the allergy. There are complete foods out there with no additives which help a great deal, or you could consider feeding raw. If you have a look here it may help longer term.


Vallhala Sat 19-Jun-10 01:15:20

Oh, and ime, when my poor late GSD was suffering CDRM and dragging his paws, so rubbing them raw, I'm afraid I found attempting to cover his feet with socks a bugger to do as he kept on losing them as he walked or tugging them off.

Hopefully, perhaps not tonight, one or more of our MN vet members will come along and have far better ideas than me, though I'll keep asking.

BTW, what is he fed now?

Tombliboob Sat 19-Jun-10 01:31:01

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minimu1 Sat 19-Jun-10 09:06:40

I would strongly advise looking at his diet in more detail. I have sorted out some very allergic dogs by being very careful with their diet.

For some odd reason dogs can sometimes eat a meat raw but not cooked so maybe try that with the meat you are giving. I would remove all the milk bones and biscuits and only feed one meat food at a time for about 2 weeks before introducing a new meat. Do not let you heart weakenb and give him anything else until you are sure that the meat you are giving him is ok.

It is a long hard slow journey but it can make huge differences to the dog.

ceres Sat 19-Jun-10 09:19:38

our dog has allergies but his are contact allergies (to pretty much everything.......except dust mites strangely)

anyway, he does the paw chewing and scratching. we have tried so many things but found the most effective is baby socks to stop him chewing - the chewing makes the itching worse - and we keep them on with velcro bands.

we use the socks in combination with anti-itch sprays/creams, i also sometimes use diluted apple cider vinegar to help with the itching. this solution is very good for the ears - i just swab with cotton wool.

i am actually waiting for a tub of dermapaw to be delivered - if you google dermapaw the website comes up - and they actually show you how to make a little harness to keep socks on dogs! i haven't tried this yet but was relieved to see somebody else putting socks on their dog!! the owners of the site developed this cream for itchy dogs, i have no idea if it will help ours but thought it worth a try.

poor doggy - hope it gets sorted soon. i know how miserable it feels to see them in such a state.

SoBloodyTired Sat 19-Jun-10 13:15:25

You really do need to chat with your vet before making too many changes as these conditions are notoriously difficult to manage successfully.

It is likely that you could be asked to include evening primrose oil or something like Viacutan to supplement him with essential fatty acids, and I would definitely be considering some sort of antihistamine therapy (Atarax or Tavegil or similar). Neither of these things will be as effective as steroids but in combination with other things they can help lots.

A really good product is a steroid spray called Cortavance which is really effective but doesn't cause the same systemic side effects you get with oral steroids. However, if the infection issues you mention relate to your dog's feet then applying a steroid to them directly won't help. If the problem relates to, for example, a urinary tract infection then I would definitely move over to topical steroids.

You really need to see your vet I'm afraid. Good luck, I know how horribly frustrating these problems can be

Lizcat Sat 19-Jun-10 18:01:41

All the things SoBloodyTired suggested plus Atopica can be really effective in itchy dogs though quite expensive. I am a huge fan of shampoos Etiderm, Etisoothe or Malaseb depending o your individual dogs particular skin problem.
We also use a large amount of Artuvetrin immunotherapy in our pracice it sounds like you have already had the allergy tests for food, have you had the environmentals done in which case you have the information to get the artuvetrin. This is a course of injections that reduce sensitivity to allergens eventually the dogs are on once monthly injections. Around one third of dogs have almost complete cure, one third of dogs have and improvement in symptoms and one third of dogs have no improvement. Though often it is better than this I currently have 7 dogs on this one dog has had partial improvement 5 dogs have massive improvement only flare up maybe once a year and one dog has virtual cure (though this dog was only allergic to meadow fescue grass).

beautifulgirls Sat 19-Jun-10 21:12:06

Agree with Sobloodytired and Lizcat - also re food ask your vet about Hills z/d ultra food. Not cheap but very good stuff in my experience for allergies. If it does help you could use over the period where the dog is getting the infection treated and then perhaps consider longer term whether to carry on or use as the basic food then very controlled trials of other foods too.
Heska immunotherapy is pretty much the same as the Artuvetrin Lizcat mentions, but can be easier for your vet to get hold of as the artu needs to be imported under licence from the Netherlands - that said it is not that hard to get hold of though, just a bit of extra paperwork.

leanto Sat 19-Jun-10 22:41:51

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skyelaw10 Thu 15-Aug-13 14:24:27

There is a vaccine called artuvetrin, its imported by your vet from sweden and it helps to calm allergies? injections are needed every month, only setback is the cost of the vaccine which can be as much as £ 200 for 10 injections, your vet has to have the dog been seen by a veterinary skin specialist, ask the vet if your dog would benefit .

Lonecatwithkitten Thu 15-Aug-13 16:11:35

Skyelaw Artuvetrin was originally recommended and does not require the dog to see a skin specialist. Artuvetrin is immunotherapy not a vaccine.

I know the thread is a Zombie just dislike incorrect facts.

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