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Tabithacat Sat 11-Jul-09 19:34:02

Our 19 month old setter needed grass seeds removed from his armpits and underwent a sedation to do it - 4 weeks ago.

Since then he has been lethargic - eating, drinking and pooing fine.

The lethargy has gradually got worse and worse til now he doesn't want to go out other than to wee and poo. He won't wee in the garden so we have to go to the fields, this is ok as they are less than 100m away. He used to walk upwards of 5 miles a day, or rather I did and he ran miles more. He's now doing just the distance to the field.

He has been to the vets constantly in this time, they have been great and have done every test they can - bloods, ecgs, x-rays, heart scan, ultrasound. The first two ecgs showed a faulty heart beat every 5 beats but this has since been clear. All the tests besides the ECG have been normal. They think there is nothing wrong with heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, pancreas, no infections because blood levels are normal. They have done every test with the dog awake i.e. not under aneastetic.(sp?)

The next step is a MRI and spinal tap to see whether there is something wrong with his brain. Because this involves an aneastetic the vets are referring him for a second opinion first, on Monday.

Sorry this is so long and if you have managed to make it this far, I'd welcome any ideas. I am under the impression that if they find a tumour on his brain there is nothing they can do.

Help... I'm obviously pretty upset. He is my constant companion and I have already lost a dog this year (through old age) and really can't cope with losing this one as well.

Anyone got any ideas or have experienced this or anything similar?

beautifulgirls Sat 11-Jul-09 20:22:54

I have seen a dog with a migrating grass seed that caused a recurrent lethargy and pyrexia (temperature). It would respond to antibiotics then get sick a while after they were stopped. Our tests in house were repeatedly negative for all the likely causes, and some months later he had an MRI scan. He did have periods of being ok after antibiotics, hence the time before a scan was done. The scan showed a migrated grass seed lodged up by the spine. This was surgically removed and the dog did very well in the end. It can be like looking for a needle in a haystack with these things, and for us there was no known history of seeds either. I hope that perhaps there may just be some sort of similar issue that can be helped. A second opinion and possible MRI sounds like a sensible plan given circumstances. Good luck.

Tabithacat Sat 11-Jul-09 20:55:09

Thanks beautifulgirls. That's really helpful.

I am hoping for pretty much anything other than a tumour.

I think grass seed is a possibility too as that was what it all started with.

No temperature though - it's been completely normal throughout. And no noticeable response to 3 weeks of antibiotics or just over one week of steriods. Although overall he has gone downhill, he does keep going up and down.

Can you see grass seeds on an ordinary x-ray?

I will be keeping all ideas in mind when seeing the specialist vet on Monday.

I am kicking myself - he got knotty in his armpits (he's quite a curly setter so it doesn't take long for him to gets knots) while my DD was in hospital for a week and I wasn't around to groom him, this is how the grass seeds got in. If only... eh?

Tabithacat Sun 12-Jul-09 13:16:46

Bump. Anyone?

nickschick Sun 12-Jul-09 13:19:24

bump for you - hope hes soon well again.

SouthMum Sun 12-Jul-09 13:25:06

Sorry no real advice here - could it be a bit of post op stress? If he is weeing / pooing / eating ok I doubt its anything too worrying.

Bump anyway.

Tabithacat Sun 12-Jul-09 14:16:07

Thank you all.

beautifulgirls Sun 12-Jul-09 21:44:49

Sorry only just got back to the thread. No, grass seeds will not show up on a plain xray. Hope that the specialist can give you some more hope and answers when you see them. Let us know how it all goes.

Tabithacat Mon 13-Jul-09 06:42:46

Thanks beautifulgirls, keeping everything crossed today - he has been a little bit better since Saturday pm and am hoping he will keep improving.

Tabithacat Mon 13-Jul-09 15:36:13

Short update - I'm back from specialists, unfortunately dog has to stay in overnight. They have run an ECG and the results show an arhythmia again.

Specialists have a cardiac specialist seeing him tomorrow.

Missing him lots already and got 24 hours to go before I can collect him.

beautifulgirls Tue 14-Jul-09 09:20:56

Aw poor thing - hope he is doing better soon.

SouthMum Tue 14-Jul-09 19:10:30

Hi, how is the pooch now? Hope you are closer to sussing out what the problem is....

Owls Tue 14-Jul-09 19:15:03

Ahh Tabitha, feel for you must be so worrying. Any news?

Tabithacat Tue 14-Jul-09 21:39:01

Hi All,

Thanks for your concern. I have bought him home and he is a bit livelier and happier. The specialists have decided his heart is fine and there is no indication of a brain tumour. So far, every test they have done has come back normal. This is good but it means we are still no closer to knowing what is wrong.

They are still waiting for some results to be returned and so we can only wait.

My theory is that, as beautifulgirls said,it is a grass seed and when he switched antibiotics he got ill again and now he is back on that antibiotic he is improving.

Other theory is that he had lungworm and as he was treated for it, it has now gone but the recovery period is a long time.

So, waiting for more results and waiting to take him off antibiotics to see what happens.

Will keep you posted. xx

Tabithacat Tue 14-Jul-09 21:41:35

*brought not bought

Also forgot to say - am so happy to have him back! smile

SouthMum Wed 15-Jul-09 09:21:26

Glad to hear he is doing better Tabitha and it sounds like its nothing too serious. get well soon doggie!!

beautifulgirls Wed 15-Jul-09 20:24:49

Hope he has a long term improvement.

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