Petition about the ROGD study

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Vickyyyy Wed 05-Sep-18 14:25:14

Transactivists are (predictably) trying to bury this study. Parents and professionals think its important.

Article on this that was posted by WNTT

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paintedwingsandgiantrings Wed 05-Sep-18 14:45:00

Signed smile

Threewheeler1 Wed 05-Sep-18 14:48:34

There's a good article in the Economist about this too, 1st Sept issue.
Will sign now, thanks Vickyyyy

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe Wed 05-Sep-18 14:49:48

Signed. Vicky I think MN might take this down because it's not in the Petitions section. Is it worth re-posting it there and putting a link to it on FWR?

Vickyyyy Wed 05-Sep-18 15:07:50

I they take it down, would it be ok to just post the article do you think? The article has a link to the petition anyway.

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe Wed 05-Sep-18 15:10:53

I'm not sure but no doubt those people who come on here simply to report and delete threads will do so if you've not stuck rigidly to the rules.

Vickyyyy Wed 05-Sep-18 15:20:01

Yeah, transactivists will not be happy about this thread at all and will report the shit out of it! I didn't even know there was a petition subforum on MN

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Starkstaring Wed 05-Sep-18 17:31:57

Please do sign the petition. It's worth looking for the comments below the line.

deepwatersolo Wed 05-Sep-18 18:06:18

Transactivists don't just want to bury the study but from the study's very beginning they tried to derail it, suggesting to 'derail the statistics'.

It is flabbergasting that mostly late transitioned males, who cannot have any concept of female puberty, lead the charge in shutting down research on the phenomenon of pubescent girls becoming gender dysphoric. They are ready to harm this type of potential transitioners, just to maintain their identity. Feeling the need to do so tells you something about how stable said identity is.

Anne A. Lawrence, a transsexual autogynephile and academic herself (with a firm grip on reality),
has written a highly interesting article about the lenghts to which some autogynephiles will go to protect their identity. This article is also interesting regarding the dynamics of transactivists regarding women who set boundaries.

Vickyyyy Wed 05-Sep-18 18:52:56

Wow at that twitter thread. The whole thing is just insane. Its clearly obvious that the explosion in kids identifying as trans is social contagion (for the most part, I am sure some of the children actually are trans) and I genuinely do not understand why TRAs try to deny this. Its going to leave a trail of devastation, and many many adults who regret the choices that people allowed/encouraged them to make at a young age.

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deepwatersolo Wed 05-Sep-18 19:11:10

Any issue that these generally male late transitioner activists link to their 'identity' is obviously very personal for this type of people.

They are happy to suppress any research that could help people (with obviously totally different pathways to transition) because said research would in their minds undermine their 'born in the wrong body' identity.
They are happy to do away with any safeguarding for kids, any protection of traumatized victims of male violence, because said safeguarding and protections would undermine their identity as a everything 100% female since forever.

That society at large validates this behaviour as healthy and normal, no questions asked, and vilifies those who see a problem with it, is maybe the most troubling aspect of the whole affair.

Cachailleacha Wed 05-Sep-18 19:49:04


Bronners78 Wed 05-Sep-18 20:12:37

I think this may be an appropriate place to share the WPATH response to ROGD.

Starkstaring Wed 05-Sep-18 20:25:16

No one is denying that these adolescents are suffering from Gender Dysphoria, which is in the DSM manual, just that its onset was rapid, hence the acronym.

So WPATH acknowledges that this is poorly understood and needs more research, yet is confident that "gender-affirmative" care is the right approach?

That's what you get when the lead authority on GD is so heavily steered by "stakeholders"

Excellent for the issue to get so much coverage, light and air and scrutiny..

Truthmytruth Fri 07-Sep-18 00:48:34

WPATH are denying the term ROGD. Yet they And TRAs are telling us we have to accept new terminology such as the 100 trans identifications and take it as given. I am ‘cis’ according to the trans ideology and I have to accept this term. But when a term such as ROGD is presented I am told I can’t believe this. I don’t believe in the trans terminology but I have to accept this. Is this not a contradiction?

ROGD is a new term. It could be called other things such as why are our kids all identifying as trans once puberty hits or once the propaganda machine tells them. It is just a term used to distinqish the known reasons why someone might identify as trans to a more recent phenomenon that was not present when the experts looked at why someone might think they are transsexual. The historical findings are best described by known experts who are now being hounded for years of research. This article is a good place to start if you want a little bit known research

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Truthmytruth Sat 08-Sep-18 00:48:41

Bumpity bump

LilyMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 09-Sep-18 10:49:49

We're just moving this over to petitions. flowers

paintedwingsandgiantrings Sun 09-Sep-18 23:05:02


Kinda quiet over here in petitions, isn't it?

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