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to apostrophe or not to apostrophe?

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gingerninja · 30/05/2008 13:30

I just can't decide the appropriate use of an apostrophe in its for this sentance. It's one of the great unexplained gramatically questions for me and I'd be grateful if you could help.

[the company] as part of its business transformation

many thanks

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edam · 30/05/2008 13:31

It's (a contraction of it is).

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JackieNo · 30/05/2008 13:32

No apostrophe for your sentence. 'It's' is short for 'it is'.

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JackieNo · 30/05/2008 13:32

edam - it's a possessive in the op's sentence.

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Mij · 30/05/2008 13:33

yep, it's possessive in that sentence - the transformation of the business, therefore it's its

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gingerninja · 30/05/2008 13:33

great, thanks. I knew it was a contraction but didn't know if it was also possessive. Glad you've cleared that up for me.

Thanks again

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UnquietDad · 30/05/2008 13:35

Pedants' Corner. The one-stop shop for all your punctuation and grammar problems. Does what it says on the tin.

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gingerninja · 30/05/2008 13:35

x posted, right so even though it's possessive the use of the apostrophe is still not required?

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JackieNo · 30/05/2008 13:35

That's right, gingerninja. That's why it confuses people.

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gingerninja · 30/05/2008 13:36

UQD, have you time to be here? shouldn't you be raising temperatures on those kooky dooky threads?

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gingerninja · 30/05/2008 13:37

Thanks Jackie

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slayerette · 30/05/2008 13:38

it's = it is
its = possessive

The only time you ever use 'it's' is if the sentence would still make sense if the 'it's' were replaced with 'it is'

So: {the company] as part of it is business transformation

does not make sense!

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Mij · 30/05/2008 13:42

Yes, it's the exception to the possessive rule - no apostrophe. Presumably just so you can tell the difference between it's and its!

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StealthPolarBear · 30/05/2008 14:00

his hers and its are all possessives and don't need apostrophes
(I know I've probably spelt possessives wrong)

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Mij · 30/05/2008 14:09

I accept the hers and its, but his is a different word entirely.

I should have said 'an exception'. This being pedants' corner an' all.

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StealthPolarBear · 30/05/2008 14:10

Why is his different? It's the m version of hers!

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Mij · 30/05/2008 14:16

I mean that hers is the possessive of her. His is the possessive of him/he, there's no such word as hi (well, HI obviously, but you know what I mean)

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StealthPolarBear · 30/05/2008 14:22

Oh right, yes I do see what you mean

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Bucharest · 01/06/2008 16:17

Mij- Hers is the possessive pronoun relating to her/she...His is both the possessive pronoun for he/him and the possessive adjective.

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Mij · 01/06/2008 23:36

Yep Bucharest, you're right, I didn't say it wasn't it just didn't come into my exchange with SPB

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wigparty · 02/06/2008 00:54

God I love pedants' corner, although I usually watch respectfully from a distance!

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Quattrocento · 02/06/2008 01:00

The way to think of it is as follows:

Does the following sentence make sense?

as part of it is business transformation

Clearly it does not make any sense at all therefore there is no apostrophe

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Quattrocento · 02/06/2008 01:01

Sorry I see I have repeated other posts

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Clary · 02/06/2008 01:10

Actually in old editions of Jane Austen or such you often do see "her's" so it has now contracted throuhg lots of use as is often the way in English.

(I suppose his was once he's?)

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