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Why is “to be” disappearing?

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Sportsnight Sun 30-Jun-19 14:18:38

As in:

“That cupboard needs cleared” or “the kids need picked up”

I’ve seen it on threads before, but I’m hearing it more and more in conversation.

Why? To me it makes less sense, but as it’s quite widespread is there a reason behind it?

pigsDOfly Sun 30-Jun-19 16:18:47

Yes, the reason behind it is that a lot of people's speech is becoming sloppy and lazy.

avocadochocolate Sun 30-Jun-19 16:20:34

Isn't it just an organic change, probably influenced by US English??? The language is changing all the time.

PolkadotLollipop Sun 30-Jun-19 16:20:41

I hate it too.

flowery Sun 30-Jun-19 16:21:13

Isn’t it regional? Scotland?

Pipandmum Sun 30-Jun-19 16:21:33

Haven’t noticed it myself.

PolkadotLollipop Sun 30-Jun-19 16:21:53

I don’t hear it in RL but on MN it seems to have taken over as the preferred style.

dudsville Sun 30-Jun-19 16:23:22

Random to say it's linked in anyway to the US. I've only ever heard it on mn. I presumed it was regional.

DrinkSangriaInThePark Sun 30-Jun-19 16:23:26

Nobody uses it in Ireland but I've seen it a lot on here by English people.

Hate it!

fluffiphlox Sun 30-Jun-19 16:24:23

I see it on here but nobody I know says “needS sold” etc. I dislike it too.

pigsDOfly Sun 30-Jun-19 16:27:47

Actually, thinking about it, I've only ever seen it on MN.

FredaFrogspawn Sun 30-Jun-19 17:00:19

‘She needs fetching’ is ok but ‘she needs fetched’ isn’t because (I think) fetching here is a gerund- so - who is doing the fetching tonight? - creates a noun out of the verb, like shopping - the shopping is good here, or camping - the camping was wonderful. Fetched is a past participle being used as part of a subjunctive and therefore needs a ‘to be’ before it. I think.

wheresmymojo Sun 30-Jun-19 17:49:29

I don't hear it in RL in Hampshire but I have in my home town (Stoke). Perhaps its regional?

I'm pretty sure it's always been a thing in Stoke dialect...

PlatoAteMySnozcumber Sun 30-Jun-19 17:53:43

I have never heard anyone say it in real life and have only ever seen it on here. I assumed it was some kind of regional thing. I am pretty certain it isn’t American as have never heard an American say it.

It irritates the life out of me though.

Caribbeanescape Sun 30-Jun-19 17:55:41

I’ve never heard it, but I’ve seen it a lot on Mumsnet. I don’t like it at all.

WantLifeToBeBetter Sun 30-Jun-19 17:56:00

It's regional, isn't it? My brother lives in NI and he's started saying it over the years. I don't hear people in London saying it.

SunshineStarlet Sun 30-Jun-19 17:58:37

I see it on Facebook marketplace frequently “needs gone ASAP”.

I don’t understand the ‘s’ or the the actual sentence. You post something for sale at a price with the statement “needs gone” just baffles me. It reads poorly and comes across rude, imo.

RedSheep73 Sun 30-Jun-19 17:58:44

I don't hear it round here, not with the past tense. Kids need picking up, yes, informally.

ncqtime Sun 30-Jun-19 17:59:30

Urgh. 'Needs done' is one I see written a lot on local Facebook, as in 'my garden needs done'.
'I've done' is another horrid local one, which in fact I've heard my kids come out with.
'You've done what?'
'I've finished'

wikowiko Sun 30-Jun-19 18:00:26

I'm Scottish and have always used this. English people pick up on it as being odd to them. On MN it might just be written shorthand and not necessarily something people do out loud though. Or there are more Scots here than you think wink

WantLifeToBeBetter Sun 30-Jun-19 18:01:50

I quite like it tbh.

ZaZathecat Sun 30-Jun-19 18:04:07

Scottish I think. At least it's not ONLY American slang that's affecting the language!

ErrolTheDragon Sun 30-Jun-19 18:06:55

I thought this type of ungrammatical shortening started with some of those supposedly cute cat memes.

MeltedCrayons Sun 30-Jun-19 18:12:10

Other examples: (to)

I need go Asda

Let's go Tesco instead

WantLifeToBeBetter Sun 30-Jun-19 18:18:27

I think the "let's go Tesco" example (which I do hear from kids in London) is different to the "the cupboards need cleaned" one, isn't it?

Unfortunately I missed out on grammar lessons at school so I can't express exactly why grin

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