Per se, it's per se

[Jux]

Please! I'm seeing 'per say' all over mn these days, and it's hurting my brain. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

[ChipsandGuac]

Per se is the phrase that annoys me most in real life. It's such a wanky expression, especially when accompanied with fingers making quotation marks.

[NewLife4Me]

What does it mean in the literal sense?
I tend not to use words or phrases unless I understand them.

Another one for me is visa versa is that supposed to be vis a vis or is that something different?

[squeaver]

It means "in itself".

It's vice versa which is "the other way round".

Vis à vis is "regarding/in reference to". It literally means, face to face.

[NewLife4Me]

Thank you squeaver

I will try and remember. Memory isn't so good and lacking a good education.
I don't hold out too much hope.

Jux

Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't done this YET, but love to learn.

[iklboo]

Sort of....

I'm not against BDSM per se

I'm happy to be dom and my partner sub - or vice versa

I have no preference vis a vis the practise

I just don't like the taste of oranges I'm ball-gagged with

(Disclaimer - this is a made up scenario. I make vanilla look exciting and exotic)

[ExitPursuedByABear]

What exactly is the problem?

[NewLife4Me]

iklboo fantastic.

[Jux]

Exit, it's pedants' corner, so the problem is that people keep saying 'per say' when what they mean is 'per se'. Does that make sense? Or are you saying that I must be a twat to care enough about it to start a thread? I don't mind that, btw, quite happy to be called a twat for pedantry

I have noticed today that we now have so I am just going to nip into a dark corner with it. I may be some time.

[Jux]

Iklboo, splendid!

[FinestGrundyTurkey]

I thought it was 'as such'? (In the vernacular, like)

[Whatevva]

Can I add 'ect' to the list

[LifeOfBriony]

ikiboo - it's practice (noun)

(Sorry, but this is pedants' corner)

[NewLife4Me]

Thanks for this Jux

I often come on here to learn something, my dh teaches me as well.
I'm sure there are more people like me on here who love a free education.
You stop us from looking twats, and I for one am glad of this.

My dh won't go through the quick check outs out of principle.
He says it's 10 items or fewer not less
I just get in and out quickly and for once say sod the good English

[Raxacoricofallapatorius]

Ect is like a dagger in my brain.

[iklboo]

I practise the practice of BDSM. Sorry, quite right.

Well, I don't - but I acknowledge the correction

[Spidertracker]

I read a thread yesterday when someone asked for something to be explained in 'lamon's' terms. I think that is the worst I have seen.

[NewLife4Me]

Maryz

I do this, because I don't understand.
Sometimes I understand a rule somebody explains and other times it goes straight over my head.

i.e I'm giving an example aren't I?

or I write for e.g/ or example?


I have also had practise and practice explained to me numerous times on here and from friends and still don't get it.
My dh suggested I use Advice/ Advise but I don't get this way at all.

[Jux]

spidertracker

NewLife, me too! Free education is great. I had a lovely afternoon once with an MNer giving me links to websites about cat's eyes and why they're sometimes green and sometimes yellow. It was fabulous.

Maryz, I think in formal correspondence that would still apply - well, I'd do it - but this is MN and we're all mates here.....

[catbrushblanket]

The worst for me is 'wallah!' instead of 'Voila!' arrgh

[Jux]

I am speechless at that, catbrush!(Obviously NOT literally though!)

NewLife, I just found a silly site showing the difference between ie and eg theoatmeal.com/comics/ie

Basically, ie is used when you are clarifying or explaining (it means 'that is'); eg is 'for example' and then you give an example or two, but not every possible example.

[Jux]

It's still not formal here, though, is it? Else we would have to say "is it not?" and so on, would we not?

[NewLife4Me]

Maryz

Thank you. I just asked dh as well, he gave food examples too.

Let me try this then

You need to eat more root vegetables for e.g carrots, swede and turnip.

An orange root vegetable favoured by rabbits i.e carrot.

He said remember that i.e there is no example, but an answer.

[FinestGrundyTurkey]

You don't need 'for' as well as eg though, NewLife - just 'more root vegetables, eg carrots, swede and turnip'