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Per se, it's per se

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Jux Thu 19-Nov-15 16:25:36

Please! I'm seeing 'per say' all over mn these days, and it's hurting my brain. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

ChipsandGuac Thu 19-Nov-15 16:27:34

Per se is the phrase that annoys me most in real life. It's such a wanky expression, especially when accompanied with fingers making quotation marks. grin

NewLife4Me Thu 19-Nov-15 16:31:37

What does it mean in the literal sense?
I tend not to use words or phrases unless I understand them.

Another one for me is visa versa is that supposed to be vis a vis or is that something different?

squeaver Thu 19-Nov-15 16:36:43

It means "in itself".

It's vice versa which is "the other way round".

Vis à vis is "regarding/in reference to". It literally means, face to face.

NewLife4Me Thu 19-Nov-15 17:11:39

Thank you squeaver

I will try and remember. grin Memory isn't so good and lacking a good education.
I don't hold out too much hope.

Jux

Thanks for pointing that out. I haven't done this YET, but love to learn.

iklboo Thu 19-Nov-15 17:13:56

Sort of....

I'm not against BDSM per se

I'm happy to be dom and my partner sub - or vice versa

I have no preference vis a vis the practise

I just don't like the taste of oranges I'm ball-gagged with

(Disclaimer - this is a made up scenario. I make vanilla look exciting and exotic)

ExitPursuedByABear Thu 19-Nov-15 17:15:53

What exactly is the problem?

NewLife4Me Thu 19-Nov-15 17:24:48

iklboo grin fantastic.

Jux Thu 19-Nov-15 17:24:58

Exit, it's pedants' corner, so the problem is that people keep saying 'per say' when what they mean is 'per se'. Does that make sense? Or are you saying that I must be a twat to care enough about it to start a thread? I don't mind that, btw, quite happy to be called a twat for pedantry grin

I have noticed today that we now have chocolate so I am just going to nip into a dark corner with it. I may be some time. wink

Jux Thu 19-Nov-15 17:27:14

Iklboo, splendid!

<wonders whether now is the time to mention I quite like oranges>

FinestGrundyTurkey Thu 19-Nov-15 17:27:36

I thought it was 'as such'? (In the vernacular, like)

Whatevva Thu 19-Nov-15 17:31:35

Can I add 'ect' to the list grin

LifeOfBriony Thu 19-Nov-15 17:34:03

ikiboo - it's practice (noun)

(Sorry, but this is pedants' corner) grin

NewLife4Me Thu 19-Nov-15 17:34:45

Thanks for this Jux

I often come on here to learn something, my dh teaches me as well.
I'm sure there are more people like me on here who love a free education.
You stop us from looking twats, and I for one am glad of this. thanks

My dh won't go through the quick check outs out of principle.
He says it's 10 items or fewer not less grin
I just get in and out quickly and for once say sod the good English grin

Raxacoricofallapatorius Thu 19-Nov-15 17:35:03

Ect is like a dagger in my brain.

iklboo Thu 19-Nov-15 17:40:34

I practise the practice of BDSM. Sorry, quite right.

Well, I don't - but I acknowledge the correction smile

Maryz Thu 19-Nov-15 17:45:33

Shouldn't it be either italicised or underlined, since it's Latin?

Or has that gone out the window along with all the other rules that got rammed into me in secretarial school

My pet hate is people using ie instead of eg and vice versa

I don't know if I should have said i.e. and e.g. [sob]

Spidertracker Thu 19-Nov-15 17:47:09

I read a thread yesterday when someone asked for something to be explained in 'lamon's' terms. I think that is the worst I have seen.

NewLife4Me Thu 19-Nov-15 17:55:01

Maryz

I do this, because I don't understand.
Sometimes I understand a rule somebody explains and other times it goes straight over my head. sad

i.e I'm giving an example aren't I?

or I write for e.g/ or example?

I have also had practise and practice explained to me numerous times on here and from friends and still don't get it.
My dh suggested I use Advice/ Advise but I don't get this way at all.

Jux Thu 19-Nov-15 17:56:45

grin spidertracker

NewLife, me too! Free education is great. I had a lovely afternoon once with an MNer giving me links to websites about cat's eyes and why they're sometimes green and sometimes yellow. It was fabulous.

Maryz, I think in formal correspondence that would still apply - well, I'd do it - but this is MN and we're all mates here.....

catbrushblanket Thu 19-Nov-15 18:00:13

The worst for me is 'wallah!' instead of 'Voila!' arrgh

Jux Thu 19-Nov-15 18:11:01

I am speechless at that, catbrush!(Obviously NOT literally though!)

NewLife, I just found a silly site showing the difference between ie and eg theoatmeal.com/comics/ie

Basically, ie is used when you are clarifying or explaining (it means 'that is'); eg is 'for example' and then you give an example or two, but not every possible example.

Maryz Thu 19-Nov-15 18:18:37

Ah, but this is Pedants' Corner, isn't it? Doesn't everyone have to get everything exactly right?

I sympathise, NewLife4Me. I find it hard to the rule, I just know it.

e.g. is from the Latin exampli gratia meaning (approximately) "for example", i.e. stands for the Latin id est which means "that is", so they are slightly different.

So:

I had my favourite meal for dinner, ie spaghetti bolognaise (clarifies)

or

I saw some of my favourite meals on the menu, eg spaghetti bolognaise and lasagne (gives examples)

Jux Thu 19-Nov-15 19:10:12

It's still not formal here, though, is it? Else we would have to say "is it not?" and so on, would we not? wink

NewLife4Me Thu 19-Nov-15 19:27:41

Maryz

Thank you. I just asked dh as well, he gave food examples too. grin

Let me try this then

You need to eat more root vegetables for e.g carrots, swede and turnip.

An orange root vegetable favoured by rabbits i.e carrot.

He said remember that i.e there is no example, but an answer.

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